Boxing or MMA

[Marvin6591]

Okay, let me rephrase sense you appear to be a little slow. Boxing doesn't use the legs as much as MMA does. Happy? Does that tickle your tummy?



It's the truth. You dont want to admit it because your a boxing fanatic who likes to talk about boxing but doesn't do **** in the ring.


I can show you guys the vast difference in boxing and mma if you want. Then right after we can go a couple of rounds boxing as well. Since apparently you both believe punching is harder to do than punching, kicking, wrestling, and submitting combined.

Right here in california. Adrenaline gym in san bernardino, just in case.

There you go making assumptions, your a moron and dont know what your talking about hahahah

[Leakbeak]

hmmm..... in the end it is still a thread of Boxing vs MMA. Top Boxers win a boxing match. Top MMAers win a FIGHT (90% of the time). Boxers BOX. MMAers FIGHT. Oh ya, fights must still have rules like no biting and hitting the groin for the sake of a sport.

As for the training. MMA has MUCH MORE elements to cover in their training. But BOTH boxing and MMA training will keep you in shape.... it really depends on how hard YOU train.

A boxing match is the hardest type of fight. Your assumption is bull**** and based on no actual fight experience. Just because they fight within set rueles, doesn't mean a boxer can't adapt to what you would call a proper fight. Even in MMA when they stand up they always end up exchanging punches in slow motion. At this time, a boxer would win by brutal KTFO. Think Liddel V Couture when he outboxed him in slow motion because kicks would make him vulnerable to takedown. Couture couldn;t get past the mth taking bums punches so imagine what a boxer would do! Grffith V Ramage had alot opf punches exhanges and none of them knew how to tuck in their chins. IMO none of them guys are athletic enough to deal with a boxer and none of them have defence, ie. they can easily get knocked the **** out! Did you not see Ramapge on Discovery channel? He looked like a bum

If you put the best v the best from each sport, it would turn out like this all the time:

[Pecs]

A boxing match is the hardest type of fight. Your assumption is bull**** and based on no actual fight experience. Just because they fight within set rueles, doesn't mean a boxer can't adapt to what you would call a proper fight. Even in MMA when they stand up they always end up exchanging punches in slow motion. At this time, a boxer would win by brutal KTFO. Think Liddel V Couture when he outboxed him in slow motion because kicks would make him vulnerable to takedown. Couture couldn;t get past the mth taking bums punches so imagine what a boxer would do! Grffith V Ramage had alot opf punches exhanges and none of them knew how to tuck in their chins. IMO none of them guys are athletic enough to deal with a boxer and none of them have defence, ie. they can easily get knocked the **** out! Did you not see Ramapge on Discovery channel? He looked like a bum

If you put the best v the best from each sport, it would turn out like this all the time:

By the way... those people in your video getting owned are NOT MMAers and they are definitely not TOP in their chosen sport. I get what you mean... but i am not so sure if a haye or mayweather knows how to defend a takedown... or even a leg kick. But anyway, i love both sports and there will FOREVER be a dedate.....peace

[Pork Chop]

A boxing match is the hardest type of fight.

sorry, i just don't think so...

[MonkeyEarMuffs]

People have to keep in mind that the sport of boxing does not encompass the entirety of the style of boxing. In a NHB style MMA match in which a true practicioner of boxing in all its forms were to compete, he would do just fine. Remember that headbutting/elbows/clentchwork/dirty boxing is ALL still part of boxing. Well executed in-boxing/ clench boxing/ dirty boxing is every bit as effective/ devistating as a a Muy Thai clench/ mma style clench. Taking mma and comparing it to olympic/ pro boxing is silly because those forms are in fact softer, sport-friendly boxing for the masses. Bare knuckle boxing/clench boxing is and always has been part of the art and science of boxing. Just because you don't catch or see some things/techniques in matches doesn't mean they're not happening.

Keep in mind that boxing is one of the oldest most well established system of hand to hand combat. Arguably just as old as wrestling if not older. It has many, many different styles and techniques and holds and strikes and what-not that the sports version does not touch on. MMA owes more to boxing and its various forms than almost any other style it borrows from.

Remember, footwork, stances, upper body striking, clench work, and rhythm/ head movement in MMA is ALL DERIVED FROM BOXING.

Respect where respect is due.

[Hudathan]

The truth is that it's not the style but the athlete that matters at the end of the day. A lazy person would not be successful no matter what system they trained in. All fighting requires the entire body to be in excellent condition. If you think a boxer can get away with not having the proper amount of strength or not training legs just because they use their hands to attack, you got it twisted.

MMA fighters are the jack of trades and masters of none. This is straight from the horse's mouth as GSP admits to training with athletes better than him in each system he studies. He wrestles with better wrestlers, box with better boxers to improve his overall game. Without specific disciplines such as boxing MMA fighters would have no styles to draw from. We need people who specialize in each area so we know who the experts are when it's time to improve in that specific area.

[Pecs]

The truth is that it's not the style but the athlete that matters at the end of the day. A lazy person would not be successful no matter what system they trained in. All fighting requires the entire body to be in excellent condition. If you think a boxer can get away with not having the proper amount of strength or not training legs just because they use their hands to attack, you got it twisted.

MMA fighters are the jack of trades and masters of none. This is straight from the horse's mouth as GSP admits to training with athletes better than him in each system he studies. He wrestles with better wrestlers, box with better boxers to improve his overall game. Without specific disciplines such as boxing MMA fighters would have no styles to draw from. We need people who specialize in each area so we know who the experts are when it's time to improve in that specific area.

Good post!!!

[Pork Chop]

Hudathan -
you're from my backyard.
You from Club One Fitness (the old BXF)?
I was there almost every day when I lived in Glen Burnie.

I agree with your assessment for the most part.
Footwork is extremely important in boxing, power comes from the legs.
But I will say that having to condition your legs for both delivering & taking leg kicks is a whole new arena of pain for most boxing folks.
A solid round house to the head is about twice as strong as a hard cross.
A knee to the body is at least 3 times the force of a good body punch.
Yes, boxers have to use their legs, but they don't have to watch for the other guy's legs swing at them to take their head off.

MMA guys, even more so than muay thai people, have to watch for everything. Whatever gets through can basically end the fight, which is why you see awkward guys with seemingly little skill being very effective. There aren't enough hours in the day to really master all aspects of a mma fight, the best they can hope to do is get enough exposure to be decent long enough to find the hole in the other guy's technique.

[Leakbeak]

sorry, i just don't think so...

Been there and wrecked that fella, and I can categorically say that despite being more painful, thaiboxing is not technically on same level and fitness wise they are lgiht years behind. They are huffing and puffin even though it is 5X3 rounds only and in Thailand they even take 2 minute breaks between rounds. Alot of muaythai fighters overthere smoke and drink too, and have journeymen records as losing is a way of life. Going back to technique, you can see they have no defence as they just go toe to toe and swap blows n ifrst vid. i'm glad you posted it as it shows how important boxing skills are even in a muaythai fight and how they are not on same level! When they use their head to block punches, a boxer would slip, parry, block and counter and take much less damage. I don't think they can mentally hack 12 rounds either from what I have seen in my muaythai years. I saw many 'world title' fights, and saw some poor fitness. That's why some 'pro' thaiboxers get £10 (ex expenses!!!!!!!) a fight whereas even a journeyman boxer would not get out of bed for that! Hell, even am's get more than that in travel& hotel expenses and free sandwich, lol. But mauythai is still better, more entertaining and more dignified than redneck MMA IMO

By the way... those people in your video getting owned are NOT MMAers and they are definitely not TOP in their chosen sport. I get what you mean... but i am not so sure if a haye or mayweather knows how to defend a takedown... or even a leg kick. But anyway, i love both sports and there will FOREVER be a dedate.....peace

The low kick myth is way overrated! Cliff Couser is the **** brother of Tyson, but even he survived rounds and rounds of low kicks in K1. One of the elite boxers would step in and unleash some pain! Just youtube Cliff and see what I mean and his woeful record is availabe on boxrec. As for the takedown, if meth taking Liddell can keep them at bay with slow motion jabs, then hayemaker and Mayweather would have a walk in the park!

[Pork Chop]

Been there and wrecked that fella, and I can categorically say that despite being more painful, thaiboxing is not technically on same level and fitness wise they are lgiht years behind.

Sure you did... I completely believe you....

They are huffing and puffin even though it is 5X3 rounds only and in Thailand they even take 2 minute breaks between rounds.

That's actually the first I've heard of the 2 minutes, but it appears to be true. K1-max uses 1 minute rest, as does the rest of the world.
Huffin and puffin by the 5th round is funny; the Thais are machines.
They train more than boxers. Of course they can't rest in the clinch and throwing kicks is more demanding than punches (try to throw 100 kicks in a round, I dare yah ) so that will explain some of it.

Alot of muaythai fighters overthere smoke and drink too, and have journeymen records as losing is a way of life.

First off, a tuk tuk driver is not the same as the elite, Yodsanklai & Buakaw don't smoke or drink. Of course I could point the finger back and laugh that a chain smoker like Mayorga has been in big ppv fights.
Going 40 and 0 against handpicked opponents is not the same thing as having a 300 fight career. They fight the old way: one month or less between bouts, none of this handpicking your opponents, nor fighting 2 times a year BS.

Going back to technique, you can see they have no defence as they just go toe to toe and swap blows n ifrst vid.

Now you're just going to get embarrassed as I posted those things to demonstrate the brutality & intensity.
I'll go ahead and post to demonstrate skill:

i'm glad you posted it as it shows how important boxing skills are even in a muaythai fight and how they are not on same level!

That's why I added these new clips.
Clip 2 fought Fenech in the 80s - cut too much weight & had a poor performance, but was an accomplished boxer nonetheless.
Clip 3 was an Olympic gold medal winner IN BOXING.

That's why some 'pro' thaiboxers get £10 (ex expenses!!!!!!!) a fight whereas even a journeyman boxer would not get out of bed for that! Hell, even am's get more than that in travel& hotel expenses and free sandwich, lol. But mauythai is still better, more entertaining and more dignified than redneck MMA IMO

The first statement I agree with you 100%

The low kick myth is way overrated! Cliff Couser is the **** brother of Tyson, but even he survived rounds and rounds of low kicks in K1. One of the elite boxers would step in and unleash some pain! Just youtube Cliff and see what I mean and his woeful record is availabe on boxrec.

So Couser was a C-level K1 JOURNEYMAN's punching bag for 3 rounds. A journeyman who's claim to fame is being on the receiving end of 2 highlight reel knockouts? And your point? It's not like he actually did anything. If anything the leg kicks, the hand & feet combos, and not being able to take a nap in the clinch took him completely out of his gameplan....



yeah, that's your boy Skelton who's had a pretty nice run in boxing...

Do you really want me to bust out vids of Ray Mercer, Botha's early K1 bouts, Arthur Williams, or the indomitable Trevor Berbick?
Granted, you'll probably post poor performances by Mighty Mo and Ray Sefo in boxing, o well.

Let me clarify in saying that 12 rounds is a brutal endurance trial and that boxing is a hard sport. BUT you don't have to deal with shins, knees, and elbows, plus you get to wear those pretty foul protectors. Some of the rules for allowable targets in thailand are the same targets that big name boxers cry about if someone even lands close (there's no rabbit punching rule).

Muay Thai gloves are 6 ounces by the way....