weights

[Squirrel]

You will make gains, though moderate ones.

Increased calorific and protein intake is to maximise the growth potential.

[Trrmo]

You will make gains, though moderate ones.

Increased calorific and protein intake is to maximise the growth potential.

Maybe possible for a beginner to weight training, but in general if you are burning more calories than you eat you will not make any significant gains moderate or otherwise (without steroids). You need the extra (surplus) cals in the form of protein,carbs and fat for that. For this reason bodybuilders normally accept they will put on some fat while building muscle even though they calculate and monitor every calorie to minimise fat gain.

But if there is any credible research disproving this I would like to know about it!

[potatoes]

Hey I just started doing deadlifts, benchpresses, squats and latpulldowns.
The thing is I don't really look to gain weight. (I do 5x5, once a week)
So my question is: can you actually get stronger doing weights, without gaining weight?

Only educated answers please...
PS: also read this thread http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=233927 because no one has answered there so far

This is a boxing website. If you need advice about weightlifting, you should get it from an expert. There aren't many of those in this forum. As a boxer, weightlifting is unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Joe Louis didn't lift weights and he became one of the greatest heavyweights ever. Joe Calzaghe doesn't lift weights and he became one of the great super-middleweights ever. Obviously the need for boxers to pump iron is clearly overrated.

[Trrmo]

As a boxer, weightlifting is unnecessary and potentially dangerous.

You could saying that about running, heavy bagwork, shadowboxing whatever. You can be a boxer without any of these either. Maybe weight training might not help some boxers, and the most important thing is developing boxing skills.
But that doesnt mean it can´t be of any benefit to a boxer. Some boxers have a great physique for boxing and don´t need to do weights, but not everyone is genetically gifted like that, others will benefit from weight training whether to increase strength, increase muscle bulk, or to rehabilitate muscle after an injury, or to prevent injury.
There is hard evidence from sports scientists from research that shows how weight training can improve athletic performance. Sure it won't improve your boxing skills, but if it can improve your potential in even a small way why not try it?

[Hearnsz]

This is a boxing website. If you need advice about weightlifting, you should get it from an expert. There aren't many of those in this forum. As a boxer, weightlifting is unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Joe Louis didn't lift weights and he became one of the greatest heavyweights ever. Joe Calzaghe doesn't lift weights and he became one of the great super-middleweights ever. Obviously the need for boxers to pump iron is clearly overrated.

I am getting it here because I obsviously want to lift weights FOR boxing.
As far as I'm concerned, PunchDrunk is and expert.

I honestly don't know if lifting weights has much use for boxing though. Alot of greats indeed don't or didn't use it. But lately it seems to get more popular among boxers and actually any athletes.
I think both PBF and RJJ do weights.

Almost ALL boxers I think do stuff like pullups, pullups, dips...
Why would doing push ups be beneficial if benchpressing isn't?
Benchpressing is an enhanced form of pushups if you ask me. Which allows you to have to do less reps with greater result.
I could be totally wrong though, and if I am, please tell me.

[PunchDrunk]

I am getting it here because I obsviously want to lift weights FOR boxing.
As far as I'm concerned, PunchDrunk is and expert.

I honestly don't know if lifting weights has much use for boxing though. Alot of greats indeed don't or didn't use it. But lately it seems to get more popular among boxers and actually any athletes.
I think both PBF and RJJ do weights.

Almost ALL boxers I think do stuff like pullups, pullups, dips...
Why would doing push ups be beneficial if benchpressing isn't?
Benchpressing is an enhanced form of pushups if you ask me. Which allows you to have to do less reps with greater result.
I could be totally wrong though, and if I am, please tell me.

You are right of course. The part in bold says a lot. Boxing is a sport, and boxers are athletes. Boxers have the same basic physiology as every other human being on the planet, and therefore they respond the same to any kind of physical training as anybody else. The right kind of weight training makes athletes in every other sport physically stronger, faster, and more explosive, and it'll work the same for boxing.

P.S. Arguing with Potatohead is useless, the guy's a fundamentalist (ie. unable to listen to arguments of any kind).

[potatoes]

I am getting it here because I obsviously want to lift weights FOR boxing.
As far as I'm concerned, PunchDrunk is and expert.

I honestly don't know if lifting weights has much use for boxing though. Alot of greats indeed don't or didn't use it. But lately it seems to get more popular among boxers and actually any athletes.
I think both PBF and RJJ do weights.

Almost ALL boxers I think do stuff like pullups, pullups, dips...
Why would doing push ups be beneficial if benchpressing isn't?
Benchpressing is an enhanced form of pushups if you ask me. Which allows you to have to do less reps with greater result.
I could be totally wrong though, and if I am, please tell me.

There are lots of experts to give you advice, if you are willing to pay them. Advice that is given away free is very often not worth paying for.

When I was young nobody I knew did benchpresses, but everybody did pushups on their fingers and knuckles. I don't recall hand injuries being common when I was young. These days it seems like boxers are always injuring their hands. It is an interesting coincidence that young boxers today don't do pushups the way we did it back in the old days.

Stick to old fashioned boxing training. You will probably find it is cheaper, easier and healthier than the latest crackpot theory.

[Trrmo]

When I was young nobody I knew did benchpresses, but everybody did pushups on their fingers and knuckles. I don't recall hand injuries being common when I was young. These days it seems like boxers are always injuring their hands. It is an interesting coincidence that young boxers today don't do pushups the way we did it back in the old days..

How does doing push-ups on your fingers and knuckles prevent hand injury? there are no muscles in fingers themselves, and placing stress on the fingers can damage the joints,especially if the fingers are bent back - the fingers are not like other joints such as the elbow where the muscles surrounding the joint work as shock absorbers. If you want to build hand and grip strength you could do chin-ups, squeeze a tennis ball, squeeze you hand into a fist and open it again, use hand grips, or do forearm curls, deadlifts or rolling a piece of cord around a stick attached with weights!

So it is more like that a boxer who does finger or knuckle push-ups would be more likely to injure their hands due to the stress on the delicate bones in the hands, not prevent hand injuries!

or wait... this could just be another crackpot theory

[KostyaTszyu44]

This is a boxing website. If you need advice about weightlifting, you should get it from an expert. There aren't many of those in this forum. As a boxer, weightlifting is unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Joe Louis didn't lift weights and he became one of the greatest heavyweights ever. Joe Calzaghe doesn't lift weights and he became one of the great super-middleweights ever. Obviously the need for boxers to pump iron is clearly overrated.

i dunno man

punchdrunk knows his ****, and guys like kostya tszyu etc have all recommended weight training

i dont do actual weights but when im training i do lots of bodyweight stuff and also medicine ball work and stuff like sledgehammer and tyre, baseball bat and heavybag punching with dumb bells etc

definitely made me stronger, and the medicine ball **** made me quicker too

[PunchDrunk]

Talk about the pot(ato) calling the kettle black!