lower belly fat..

[PunchDrunk]

I don't know - I'm still not 100% sold on the whole "a perfect diet will get you visible abs". Maybe we're differing in how we define "visible abs", but I know from experience that a good diet will not give you a six pack without ab exercises.

Sure, if you do a ton of ab workouts, but have fat on your abdominal area, you won't have visible abs. Likewise (this is where we differ), a person that eats great but does NO ab exercises won't have visible abs (and by visible abs I mean a six pack).

I know that people make the argument that Africans have very little fat in that area of their body and have very defined abs, but you have to realize that while those Africans aren't doing specific ab exercises most likely, they are doing a lot of cardio during the day, whether it be running, jogging, running errands, lifting fruit crates, etc.

I guess when I think of visible abs I immediately think of a six pack - that might not be what you think of when you think of visible abs. I had to do a lot of ab exercises to get a six pack, and, when I further refined my diet to be very healthy, I noticed even more definition. I doubt I would have gotten a six pack from just diet alone - that's probably where genetics kicks in. I don't really want to try it.

Africans that move around and go to work have visible abs? So Europeans or Americans that move around and go to work can have visible abs, if they get to the same BF%.
You did say ab specific work is necessary, but I think you proved in your latest post, that is not the case.

This is all semantics of course, because obviously diet and training will be the best way to do things.

[sukhenkoy]

Africans that move around and go to work have visible abs? So Europeans or Americans that move around and go to work can have visible abs, if they get to the same BF%.
You did say ab specific work is necessary, but I think you proved in your latest post, that is not the case.

This is all semantics of course, because obviously diet and training will be the best way to do things.

Yeah I think Americans and Europeans can have visible abs, just not as likely as Africans because their intake of food is a bit different, especially from the starving African countries.

I think we agree that diet and training is the best way to go, but simply disagree on how much each factor individually plays into it. That's just a matter of opinion at this point, because everyone's body is different.

Anyways, I don't want to completely hijack the threadstarter's thread, so we'll just leave it at this. We'll agree to disagree.

[KostyaTszyu44]

Although diet solely won't get you visible abs. You have to do ab-specific exercises, along with diet, to get visible abs.

not always

i got a 6 pack and i had it before i started ab exercises

i do them now and theyre more defined but i still had em before without any ab specific workouts