proteins and losing fat

[bedHead]

virtually all bodybuilders will say that when cutting you reduce carb intake and increase protein intake, and HIIT is better than long distance/endurance running. I've had a hard time losing weight, even after starting boxing training, and I talked to the school's nutritionist and she said I was eating too much protein. And should try to reduce protein especially for the days I don't lift, cause unused protein gets stored in fat cells. But then a bodybuilder would tell you that if you must do endurance type of cardio like running, you better eat a ton of protein and not too many carbs to burn fat and preserve muscle mass, since that type of exercise is catabolic. To lower body fat % you're supposed to be decreasing insulin and cortisol (which increases when in a catabolic state) levels and boost testosterone, which happens when you lift. But then, how do cross country kids get so skinny? Cause they were skinny in the first place? But all of them? I dunno. I've known some of them that actually had to make an effort to keep their weight up, though. I dunno what weight it was that they kept loosing, though, was it just muscle, mostly fat, both?

Anyway, my question is: I don't really care about getting jacked as much as I care about being fit and strong (and I wanna lose fat. I feel like I could be much lighter and everything would be easier if I were) enough to do well at this sport as well as improving technique. So, I've thought about going vegetarian (or at least predominantly vegetarian), would that be a good idea? So, what is most efficient for boxing? And also, what would be an efficient training regime?

[th4l3pr3ch4un]

My friend how many times a day are you eating? Try switching things up, when im cutting i try and eat 8 different times a day. It will start to speed up your metabolism, a good balance of nutrition as well as cardio, youll see results.

[bedHead]

Well I'm eating at least 4 times a day, but on the average it's more like 5 or 6 times a day. I've found that when I reduce carbs too much but eat more meat, I just feel less energetic. So I eat a lot of fruit. And I recently started to eat less meat too (so instead of meat 4 times a day, I'm eating it more like 2 times a day, and more vegetables and a bit more fruit, instead). Not sure if that's the best idea. I am worried about strength, but not worried about getting jacked... So if I were 156 lbs, but way stronger than the average person I think it'd be more advantageous than being 180 lbs but being able to squat 350lbs and bench nearly 300 lbs (right now I'm neither, though, so I would like to get rid of some fat get down to like a comfortable 12% bodyfat), especially considering how light I'd feel on my feet and how much easier it'd be to move. What do you think?

[Fidayin]

Where did you hear that HIIT is better then long distance running when you want to lose weight. I think long distance runs are better for losing fat.

Meat contains all the essential amino's your body needs unlike vegetables so i wouldn't cut out meat and if you are boxing i wouldn't cut out to much carbs neither. Just make sure you eat less callories then u consume.

[PunchDrunk]

HIIT is undoubtedly better than long distance for fat loss. YEah, you might lose weight doing long distance, but a lot of that weight will be muscle.
Let's say you run 10K 3-4 times a week. As you get in better shape, your body adapts and you become able to run the 10K using less calories than you initially did. This means that, as you become more fit, you use less calories. Not exactly the best idea when you want to lose fat! Also, long distance work makes your muscles smaller. Less muscle = lower metabolism = less calories burned = less fat burned.
HIIT generally promotes muscle building, or at least helps retain the muscle mass you already have, which means you'll keep your metabolism up. Also, because of the intensity, you'll have an increased metabolism for up to 48hrs after a workout, also known as afterburn. This means you'll be shedding fat when you're recovering!
Yes, world class marathon runners are skinny, which is partly because those are the characteristics needed to become world class. Think about it though, do they look good? Strong? fit? Not really. If we're talking looks, I think most people's body ideal is much closer to a 100m sprinter than a distance runner. I don't see many fat sprinters around...

[Fidayin]

HIIT is undoubtedly better than long distance for fat loss. YEah, you might lose weight doing long distance, but a lot of that weight will be muscle.
Let's say you run 10K 3-4 times a week. As you get in better shape, your body adapts and you become able to run the 10K using less calories than you initially did. This means that, as you become more fit, you use less calories. Not exactly the best idea when you want to lose fat! Also, long distance work makes your muscles smaller. Less muscle = lower metabolism = less calories burned = less fat burned.
HIIT generally promotes muscle building, or at least helps retain the muscle mass you already have, which means you'll keep your metabolism up. Also, because of the intensity, you'll have an increased metabolism for up to 48hrs after a workout, also known as afterburn. This means you'll be shedding fat when you're recovering!
Yes, world class marathon runners are skinny, which is partly because those are the characteristics needed to become world class. Think about it though, do they look good? Strong? fit? Not really. If we're talking looks, I think most people's body ideal is much closer to a 100m sprinter than a distance runner. I don't see many fat sprinters around...

ok cool thanks

[bedHead]

HIIT is undoubtedly better than long distance for fat loss. YEah, you might lose weight doing long distance, but a lot of that weight will be muscle.
Let's say you run 10K 3-4 times a week. As you get in better shape, your body adapts and you become able to run the 10K using less calories than you initially did. This means that, as you become more fit, you use less calories. Not exactly the best idea when you want to lose fat! Also, long distance work makes your muscles smaller. Less muscle = lower metabolism = less calories burned = less fat burned.
HIIT generally promotes muscle building, or at least helps retain the muscle mass you already have, which means you'll keep your metabolism up. Also, because of the intensity, you'll have an increased metabolism for up to 48hrs after a workout, also known as afterburn. This means you'll be shedding fat when you're recovering!
Yes, world class marathon runners are skinny, which is partly because those are the characteristics needed to become world class. Think about it though, do they look good? Strong? fit? Not really. If we're talking looks, I think most people's body ideal is much closer to a 100m sprinter than a distance runner. I don't see many fat sprinters around...

I'd prefer to do HIIT too, because it takes like 20 minutes tops, instead of 40-60 minutes. Is it possible to do on a treadmill? I've tried, but was kind of afraid to put enough speed to feel that I was sprinting, because as you sprint you quickly decelerate too, and don't really go the same speed for the entire 30-60s.

[mkm88414]

im going to guess body builders know way more about sports nutrition than your school nutritionist. although they train for different goals (being big and ripped) than boxers, they know their **** when it comes to eating.

dont listen to your school nutritionist, she is giving advice for the average american fat lazy bastard. you need protein in every meal. you need veggies in every meal. you need carbs during and post workout.

if you want to cut carbs but u eat a ton of fruit, you are still eating a ton of carbs. while the nutrients from fruits are 100 times better than the nutrients you get from say white bread or pasta you are still eating a ton of carbs if youre eating a ton of fruit. look up how many grams of carbs are in those fruit you're eating. i'm not telling you not to eat fruit im just telling you to be careful of how much if you want to cut carbs.

[Rafael Benitez]

Powdered proteins are bull****. Of course bodybuilders recommend that crap, as it is a PRODUCT! The best thing to do is eat fish,eggs, kidneys, liver, trotters, poultry and some nice red meat here and there.

[bedHead]

im going to guess body builders know way more about sports nutrition than your school nutritionist. although they train for different goals (being big and ripped) than boxers, they know their **** when it comes to eating.

dont listen to your school nutritionist, she is giving advice for the average american fat lazy bastard. you need protein in every meal. you need veggies in every meal. you need carbs during and post workout.

if you want to cut carbs but u eat a ton of fruit, you are still eating a ton of carbs. while the nutrients from fruits are 100 times better than the nutrients you get from say white bread or pasta you are still eating a ton of carbs if youre eating a ton of fruit. look up how many grams of carbs are in those fruit you're eating. i'm not telling you not to eat fruit im just telling you to be careful of how much if you want to cut carbs.

Well yeah, they eat enough calories to fuel a truck. But in the end, when they want to lower their body fat %, for instance, it's the same formula as for athletes. I actually don't wanna cut out carbs. Every time I don't get enough of those (which I get mostly from fruit) I have a lousy training day. I dunno about protein. I know it is essential, but was I consuming too much? Maybe I was, and that's what the nutritionist meant. I dunno.