Work Rate

[angus the bull]

Thanks people. So do all you people suggest stop countering shots and just throw and throw?

[peewee1460]

don't just "throw and throw" work your jab pick your shots and try to put your punches together

[jadagod]

i think your in the same boat as me i'm good at a slow pace but the second some one is jumpin all over me i get tired fast i started running now(3 miles 3 times aweek with sprints from 2weeks ago) and i will start doin the punch out drills on the bag and shadow boxing with light weights

any other idea's guys?

[Landon S]

i think your in the same boat as me i'm good at a slow pace but the second some one is jumpin all over me i get tired fast i started running now(3 miles 3 times aweek with sprints from 2weeks ago) and i will start doin the punch out drills on the bag and shadow boxing with light weights

any other idea's guys?

start conditioning. punchouts are pretty good. Heres a couple more:

4 rounds of:
30 seconds pushup burpees
30 seconds heavybag (hard shots)
30 seconds knuckle pushups
30 seconds heavybag (hard shots)
30 seconds pushup burpees
30 seconds heavybag (hard shots)
1 minute rest

Its a slight play on burpee conditioning from RT, after 2 weeks doing this twice a week along with my other conditioning my arms didnt tire at all and neither did I, this is the best conditioning Ive tried so far since its sport specific, use 16oz gloves.

Another one thats actually kind of fun is the deck of cards. its in the articles in rosstraining.com, you can swap around exercises too.

[PunchDrunk]

Thanks people. So do all you people suggest stop countering shots and just throw and throw?

How the hell do you come to that conclusion from what we just said???? Read it again.

[angus the bull]

Thats not the conclusion it is a suggestion

[aussieboxer2320]

Holy F#¤%, that just might be the single best post I've read on this board.

There seems to exist a myth that says amateur boxing is "just trowing a lot of punches." Funny how it's always said by guy's who aren't able to cut it. Of course the pace is high, when you're only fighting 4x2 minutes, but all the more, you can't make any mistakes, because you have very little time to right the wrong.

Anyway, if you guys think you'll do well in the pro's when you can't hack it in the ams, good luck, turn pro. I'll be looking forward to hearing the ecxcuses when you get KTFO.

u make a good point but u have to agree that a lot of fighters who have a slower style relying on heavy punching dont do well in the ams generally because of the time limit and point scoring system. but who do better in the pros

kermit cintron (who had no am career)
hopkins (who had no am career)
willie kickkett (a young aussie fighter who is 12-0 and being touted as the next world champ from australia and had a poor am record apparently)
anthony mundine ( no am career)
antonio margarito (had a poor or non existent am career)
roberto duran (had no am career)

alot of these guys didnt do well or didnt bother with the ams because of the ridiculous scoring methods and the emphasis on constant pitty pat punching

[PunchDrunk]

Thats not the conclusion it is a suggestion

You asked if that was what we suggested, and no, it is not.

[PunchDrunk]

u make a good point but u have to agree that a lot of fighters who have a slower style relying on heavy punching dont do well in the ams generally because of the time limit and point scoring system. but who do better in the pros

kermit cintron (who had no am career)
hopkins (who had no am career)
willie kickkett (a young aussie fighter who is 12-0 and being touted as the next world champ from australia and had a poor am record apparently)
anthony mundine ( no am career)
antonio margarito (had a poor or non existent am career)
roberto duran (had no am career)

alot of these guys didnt do well or didnt bother with the ams because of the ridiculous scoring methods and the emphasis on constant pitty pat punching

First of all, fighters with no am career are really bad examples to prove your point, since you don't know how they would have fared as ams.

Second, you're perpetuating the myth that ams have a emphasis on pitty pat punching. This is simply not correct! Scores are way down. Some international fights end up with both fighters scoring less than 10 points each in 4 rounds. If pitty pat punches scored, the scores would be much, much higher. The facts are that if you have two fighters landing anything close to the same amount of punches, the fighter throwing the heavier shots will win. The whole system is set up that way. Three of five judges have to score the point within 1.2 seconds of each other for the point to count. The very nature of this system means that the harder the punch, the more obvious it will be, and therefore the greater the chances of a majority of the judges acknowledging it. I don't know how many fights you watch, but I watch thousands, from beginners to world level (I'm going to the EU championships all next week for example) every year. I'm telling you that powerpunching is as much an advantage in the ams as in the pro's, because you'll just plain score more points (you still have to land though ).

[Darkstranger]

This is a very interesting thread, and a position that I think alot of beginners get themselves in, including myself. For a while I was getting used to a slower pace with my regular sparring partners, I would control the pace and basically do exactly what you described, wait for the them to throw and in the meantime not be throwing any punches. (I have a vid on here somewhere and you'll see exactly what I mean] It got me into a false sense of security and my coaches saw this and put me in to spar with an experienced quick aggressive well built light heavyweight, I'm Super Heavyweight. To cut a long story short, it was a culture shock! I got my head pounded from all angles and couldn't keep up the pace to be honest. I woke up with a bruised jaw, swollen eyes and a throbbing headache! I assure you this guy weren't playin, it wasn't pitty pat punches!

Since that night I've become an animal in training! More aggressive, more alert, throwing punches in bunches and pretty much doubling my workrate!