Are weights good for building explosiveness?

[Hearnsz]

j, I wasn't saying that you don't know **** about boxing. And I'm currently also not saying you accused me of that. I just want to prevent misunderstandings.

But what I meant was that workout and technique are inseperatable, giving an example where they are infact separate to disprove the contrairy.

Sorry about my crap English aswell, I don't know how to spell half the words I'm using...

[j]

nono raf, we are cool.

i remember not too long ago on some thread some guy, not you, was talking **** about me not knowing boxing. and that is all the guy posted!

i'm sure if he runs his mouth like that in real life he will pay for it.

it was a bit funny though. i was wondering if he was questioning my fornula for explosive power.

you know - the amount of momentum transferred in the amount of time equals how much explosive power is used.

i mean, was he trying dispute my formula - he didn't give me a better example of what equals explosive force. maybe, because i used an idea that went over his head he got angry.

then again, i remember he said that he posted before on how i didn't know ****. hmmm......

maybe he just hates martial arts. maybe he got his ass kicked by a white belt karate guy and has been sore ever since.

anyways, that's the story mate.

your cool with me. i hope you give some thought to my explosive power formula. it's not like it's bull****. xing yi specializes in it - i just came up with a specific way to simplify the formula and make it easier to understand. so there is more to it than just utilizing momentum.

[rufige]

Yeah it seems fine to me. If you don't want to gain weight, even in muscle, then it's probably best to avoid exercise which increase leg strength. I personally found doing leg presses, cycling and rowing showed much better and quicker results for my legs than lifting weights and weight machines showed for my upper body. So for me it seems leg strength increases quicker than upper body, but it could just be me. Your legs hold a good % of your body weight. Personally though, unless you're trying to stay a specific weight for a division in boxing etc, I say let go off your weight and focus on body fat %. If you strip fat and build muscle at a good level you're going to gain weight because muscle weighs more than fat. If you do box, or want to start, ignoring your legs is not a good idea. Like PunchDrunk keeps saying, muscles work together. Your legs are crucial to stability and endurance. Like PunchDrunk also said, punching requires more than your arms. A good punch requires that you drive through, off your ball of your right foot, through your hips, back, shoulders and arm. May sound reasonably easy but 'punching through' (doesn't mean lean or dive into it) without losing balance requires a good amount of skill and strength, which I admit, i'm probably not executing yet.

As for those elastic band things you said you had, they're just plain awesome. I use them to warm up, warm down and sometimes as a work out because if you tie a knot and widen your legs they can knacker you straight out. Really good for toning.

will body squats be good enough for strengthing the legs, yet not gaining too much muscle mass?

[BrooklynBomber]

will body squats be good enough for strengthing the legs, yet not gaining too much muscle mass?

Nope, bodyweight training will only take you so far.

[PunchDrunk]

will body squats be good enough for strengthing the legs, yet not gaining too much muscle mass?

You can do heavy squats for strength without gaining mass. Just keep the work volume low, like 3x3 or something like that, and keep the whole importance of calories in mind as well.

My point earlier wasn't that you can't do squats, just that you'll have to spend a certain amount of time doing basic training until your body is ready for the heavier work. If not, you'll end up getting injured....

[PunchDrunk]

punchdrunk, i am talking about body method - which may be translated as technique in a somehwat limited vocabulary of boxing.

weights can give you more than what you got. but to be explosive, or train any other type of force, means refining what you already have.

there are a few weight related exercises that help. but that is only to a certain extent.

personally, the best exercises to help with a punch are those that are closely related to punching. which means being vertical and pushing your hand forward in the manner of a punch.

working with your punches against the air will help tremendously if you know how. working on a bag, try to use as little muscle tensing as possible. and remember my formula(momentum x time of transferrence.)


btw, would we count bag exercises and partner exercises as weight related since you have to move weight while hitting?

or are we simply talking about using weightlifting type exercises that more or less can help strengthen the body to be able to use explosive force. because, if the body is not physically prepared to be explosive, your body method/technique will not have as much impact as it could.

I agree with what you're saying 100%.

My point was only that there are two factors that determine your explosive ability: Physical potential and technique. I also agree that there is no clear cut distinction between the two, but you can definitely identify different training methods that are at each ends of the scale. Squats will not do much for your punching technique(but still a little, because general muscle coordination will improve), but they will give you a greater physical potential to put your technique to better effect. Punching the air won't do much for your physical potential (but still a little), but will (or should) provide better technique to put your physical potential into effect.

[JayCoe]

If you don't want to gain much muscle mass but want to increase your leg strength and endurance, use a rowing machine or cycle.

[leff]

If you don't want to gain much muscle mass but want to increase your leg strength and endurance, use a rowing machine or cycle.

and high weight low reps squats

[rufige]

i'm also doing a lot of reps when i do my bench press to increase endurance... do you guys think i should just focus on strength and explosiveness when dealing with weights and just use the heavy bag for endurance?

[PunchDrunk]

i'm also doing a lot of reps when i do my bench press to increase endurance... do you guys think i should just focus on strength and explosiveness when dealing with weights and just use the heavy bag for endurance?

Yes, I think you should.