Are weights good for building explosiveness?

[PunchDrunk]

Why do people refuse to understand that lifting weights WILL NOT make you bigger. It depends on how much food you are consuming and the type of resistance workouts you are performing. The olympic lifts are GREAT exercises for building explosive strength. As for Ali and RJJ, I'm pretty damn sure most of us weren't born with their amazing talent and therefore able to dominate everyone. Bodyweight training can replicate weightlifting, so if that's true, I'd better stop bodyweight training as well.....

Exactly. There's no magic difference between lifting bodyweight and lifting something else. Resistance is resistance, the body doesn't care.

The only difference is biomechanical, ie. the movement. Pullups are bodyweight, so they're fine, apparently? Well, are they suddenly harmful if you add weight?

The problem in here is that too many people who know nothing about these things offer their "advice" based on what they heard at the gym, not based on what they've learned through an education, read in books, or learned through years of experience as a trainer or trainee at a high level. 5 months of benchpressing or hitting the heavy bag at the local gym does not make you knowledgeable. Quite on the contrary, you've just been there long enough to hear the loudest talkers in the room, which are usually the ones who pass on the myths. We don't need those myths clouding the picture in here, so read a few books and think a little before you post...

[rufige]

thanks for the knowledge P.D. would you suggest any books or authors to get this info on?

[BrooklynBomber]

Since PunchDrunk already posted in this thread(and we got pretty similar opinion on training for explosiveness) I could only add another advice -- sled training.

Google it to learn the details. But it all comes down to strapping a sled to your body and then trying to sprint with it for short distances.

I can barely walk today, that training took A LOT out of me.

[BrooklynBomber]

And some people live to be 100 years old, while smoking and drinking and eating crap. That doesn't mean they got that old because of their habits, but in spite of them. This is the "logic" you're employing, and it just shows you don't have any real knowledge on the subject(which is evidenced in that other thread, where you fail to make the connection between high rep lifting and muscle endurance.). You're perpetuating myths here, which doesn't help anybody, so please get a grasp on at least the basics, before you play an expert. Can you honestly say you've read books on excerise physiology and training theory?

Sure, extremely gifted athletes like RJJ are super explosive, and no amount of training, of any kind, can make a mule into a racehorse, but you can make a faster mule, and an even faster racehorse.

I am pretty sure RJJ did weights.

[rufige]

seems a bit too hardcore for me BB. i think i'll pass on that one, but thanks for the tip

[Unanimous]

I can barely walk today, that training took A LOT out of me.

Judging by your avatar I have t agree!

[PunchDrunk]

thanks for the knowledge P.D. would you suggest any books or authors to get this info on?

"periodization training for sports" by Tudor O Bompa woulæd be a good place to start.
You can get it pretty cheap here: http://exrx.net/

There's a lot of other info on that site as well...

[toolboxdiver]

Exactly. There's no magic difference between lifting bodyweight and lifting something else. Resistance is resistance, the body doesn't care.

The only difference is biomechanical, ie. the movement. Pullups are bodyweight, so they're fine, apparently? Well, are they suddenly harmful if you add weight?

The problem in here is that too many people who know nothing about these things offer their "advice" based on what they heard at the gym, not based on what they've learned through an education, read in books, or learned through years of experience as a trainer or trainee at a high level. 5 months of benchpressing or hitting the heavy bag at the local gym does not make you knowledgeable. Quite on the contrary, you've just been there long enough to hear the loudest talkers in the room, which are usually the ones who pass on the myths. We don't need those myths clouding the picture in here, so read a few books and think a little before you post...

That's what I'm talking about good Karma to you bro

[aussieboxer2320]

And some people live to be 100 years old, while smoking and drinking and eating crap. That doesn't mean they got that old because of their habits, but in spite of them. This is the "logic" you're employing, and it just shows you don't have any real knowledge on the subject(which is evidenced in that other thread, where you fail to make the connection between high rep lifting and muscle endurance.). You're perpetuating myths here, which doesn't help anybody, so please get a grasp on at least the basics, before you play an expert. Can you honestly say you've read books on excerise physiology and training theory?

Sure, extremely gifted athletes like RJJ are super explosive, and no amount of training, of any kind, can make a mule into a racehorse, but you can make a faster mule, and an even faster racehorse.

your such a ****wit shut up

[nedcmk1]

Here are some great resources....

"From the Ground Up" by Dan John. Dan John is an Olympic Power lifter and extremely well respected in Olympic and Strength Circles. He is a founding member of Crossfit. Dan's book is a wonderful starting place for power lifts and the book is FREE. Download it at www.danjohn.org

Body by Fish - He has insane, absolutely insane routines with weights, kettlebells, sleds, and a mountain of bodyweight stuff. Both his free and $ products are on spot. Try the free workouts then try mod 1. www.trainforstrength.com

John Berardi - Can basically solve all of your diet needs. He is a no nonsense PhD who wrote an excellent book called "Grapplers Guide to Sports Nutrition" as well as a coinciding cookbook. I recomend buying the book but he has a huge list of articles for free on his site where you can get insanely great information. www.johnberardi.com The article "7 Habits of Highly Effective Nutritional Programs" is a great starting point http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...on/7habits.htm


Now..... There is a forum where all of these fellows give their info away freely and post daily. They have even given myself and other poters their cell phones to call them to discuss different programs and what we can be doing better in our own personal training. Free of charge. These guys do it because they love it. Their info they give out for free is invaluable.