? for the guys who lift weights here (punchdrunk, fraidycat, speedkillz)

[2swell k-wells]

I lift weights all the time and your doing it all wrong boi.

Dont listen to PunkDrunk.

[Detroit101]

im new to boxing, but I know the proper weight program will help you tremendously.....any one who tells you otherwise does not have a clue about the human body......

[GTL]

If you think guys like Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis etc got the size they were from hitting a heavy bag and jumping rope you are sadly mistaken.

he never disagreed about using weights my man..
punchdrunk uses weights to train

[PunchDrunk]

If you think guys like Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis etc got the size they were from hitting a heavy bag and jumping rope you are sadly mistaken.

You're talking about size, like that is the only thing anyone could possibly want from weights. Case in point, my stab at you about bodybuilding and your split program (which is for bodybuilding, not athletes).

[batista]

You're talking about size, like that is the only thing anyone could possibly want from weights. Case in point, my stab at you about bodybuilding and your split program (which is for bodybuilding, not athletes).

PunchDrunk,

If I was to go ahead with my strength training plan but drop the roadwork, do you think that would be a wise choice? I am very weak at the moment (by most standards) and feel I could get enough conditioning work for a 3x2 minute bout by just doing my skill training. Strength is something I drastically need to improve.

Thanks for your time.

[PunchDrunk]

PunchDrunk,

If I was to go ahead with my strength training plan but drop the roadwork, do you think that would be a wise choice? I am very weak at the moment (by most standards) and feel I could get enough conditioning work for a 3x2 minute bout by just doing my skill training. Strength is something I drastically need to improve.

Thanks for your time.

No, I think that would be a mistake. If you're as weak as you seem to think you are, 3x of heavy squatting a week will be overkill for you, even if you do nothing else but lay on the couch for the rest of the week. You'll have to build up your work capacity as well as your strength. My suggestion would be 2-3x roadwork, 1x heavyish squats, 1x dynamic effort squats (ie. very light, focus on speed). This would be the absolute most I think you'll be able to handle, based on your description, and the better balance for boxing.

[batista]

No, I think that would be a mistake. If you're as weak as you seem to think you are, 3x of heavy squatting a week will be overkill for you, even if you do nothing else but lay on the couch for the rest of the week. You'll have to build up your work capacity as well as your strength. My suggestion would be 2-3x roadwork, 1x heavyish squats, 1x dynamic effort squats (ie. very light, focus on speed). This would be the absolute most I think you'll be able to handle, based on your description, and the better balance for boxing.

Okay, thanks and will do.

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Anyway, Batista - instead of gaining muscle in order to get stronger - focus on perfecting technique and putting all your effort into your strikes.

Drill your punches until your technique allows for the strength (you feel) you lack.

[Detroit101]

if your prime concern is strength in the beginning, you should try doing excersises that will force your upper body and legs to work in unison....like cleans, snatch and hang snatch along with squats.....these excersises are the best for buiding strength, co-ordination and the production of testosterone.....however; take some time and make sure your form is perfect before trying them with a decent amount of weight on the bar.........

[PunchDrunk]

I lift for strength, but Evander Holyfield's physique is pretty indicative of his time spent in a weight room among other things.

It's not a split program. Those muscles groups go together. It makes sense to do triceps and shoulders with chest because when you do bench guess what secondary muscles you are using . I have never been a bodybuilder, but I have been a very successful wrestler, football player and boxer... my program is an athletic program. A body building program would break it down way more than that and be more than 3 days a week, but to each his own. Cheers.

Holyfield's physique is indicative of a cruiserweight wanting to go to heavyweight because that is where the money, fame and future challenges were for him. That is something nobody in here have any use for, so using him as an example is useless. Besides, you said that

If you think guys like Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis etc got the size they were from hitting a heavy bag and jumping rope you are sadly mistaken

, which clearly indicates you were talking about size.

Do you even know what a split program is? Evidently not. Since you claim that your program is not a split program because "those muscle groups go together," shows you have no clue what a split program is.
There is full body and there is split programs. You divide your workouts into bodyparts and even specific muscles, therefore it IS a split program.

Thinking in specific muscles, like you do, rather than in MOVEMENTS is not the way to go for athletes. Athletes don't need to train exercises that isolate their triceps and shoulders, because guess what? In boxing (and pretty much any other sport) you NEVER use your triceps in and isolated manner. You do movements where the triceps work in synchronization with the other muscles of the body.