kesslers training routine??

[TheWolf]

Circuit training targets strength endurance, not maximum strength, which is the normal definition when people just use the word strength on its own. So no, circuits are not that effective for building strength.

Have you tried it?

Also, how many fights do you win with bench pressing.


Circuit training will improve the strength in your muscles effectively and in a way the athlete can actually use.

Having slow twitch muscle is useless. Up and coming fighters should really think about that before they get into steroids and creatine.

[PunchDrunk]

Have you tried it?

Also, how many fights do you win with bench pressing.


Circuit training will improve the strength in your muscles effectively and in a way the athlete can actually use.

Having slow twitch muscle is useless. Up and coming fighters should really think about that before they get into steroids and creatine.

Yes, I have absolutely tried it, and so has a long line of fighters I train/have trained. As a matter of fact I use both circuit training and STRENGTH training for my boxers. Using both is superior to using just one.

You talking about slow twitch fibres just shows off your ignorance on the subject. Here's a FACT: The lower the weight involved, the less fast twitch fibers are activated. the heavier the weight, the more fast twitch muscle is activated. Your 1RM in any lift activates ALL your (available) muscle fibers in the involved musle. The less of your 1RM you lift, the less muscle fiber is activated, and you activate your slow twitch first, then more and more of your fast twitch, as the weight gets heavier.

Therefore for fast twitch development: low rep STRENGTH training > circuit training.

Also, the other factor is neural adaptations, which means you can get a hell of a lot stronger without adding muscle. Strength training is NOT bodybuilding.

[TheWolf]

Yes, I have absolutely tried it, and so has a long line of fighters I train/have trained. As a matter of fact I use both circuit training and STRENGTH training for my boxers. Using both is superior to using just one.

You talking about slow twitch fibres just shows off your ignorance on the subject. Here's a FACT: The lower the weight involved, the less fast twitch fibers are activated. the heavier the weight, the more fast twitch muscle is activated. Your 1RM in any lift activates ALL your (available) muscle fibers in the involved musle. The less of your 1RM you lift, the less muscle fiber is activated, and you activate your slow twitch first, then more and more of your fast twitch, as the weight gets heavier.

Therefore for fast twitch development: low rep STRENGTH training > circuit training.

Also, the other factor is neural adaptations, which means you can get a hell of a lot stronger without adding muscle. Strength training is NOT bodybuilding.

I'm not a personal trainer. Please, explain to me why body builders, even like Mariusz Pudzianowski, with extensive boxing experience, arent throwing punches like Calzaghe.

In my experience, you cant train a guy to drive a bus, and expect him to win with a race car.
You cant train muscle to lift heavy objects by moving slowly, and expect it to increase in speed.

Also, please tell me why circuit training even exists, and is so popular if low rep training is superior.

Boxing > Circuit Training in regards to cardio.


I'm on these forums to learn. If you can somehow provide evidence, great.

[No1]

I'm not a personal trainer. Please, explain to me why body builders, even like Mariusz Pudzianowski, with extensive boxing experience, arent throwing punches like Calzaghe.

In my experience, you cant train a guy to drive a bus, and expect him to win with a race car.
You cant train muscle to lift heavy objects by moving slowly, and expect it to increase in speed.

Also, please tell me why circuit training even exists, and is so popular if low rep training is superior.

Boxing > Circuit Training in regards to cardio.


I'm on these forums to learn. If you can somehow provide evidence, great.

both are good, but as punch drunk says circuits wont improve strength that much, the'll get you real fith though.
I like to use both in my routine weights and circuit training, both have there advantages.

[SpeedKillz]

I'm not a personal trainer. Please, explain to me why body builders, even like Mariusz Pudzianowski, with extensive boxing experience, arent throwing punches like Calzaghe.

In my experience, you cant train a guy to drive a bus, and expect him to win with a race car.
You cant train muscle to lift heavy objects by moving slowly, and expect it to increase in speed.

Also, please tell me why circuit training even exists, and is so popular if low rep training is superior.

Boxing > Circuit Training in regards to cardio.


I'm on these forums to learn. If you can somehow provide evidence, great.

because they train in different sports. boxers train to punch, lifters train to lift.

punchdrunk is right imo. theres a scientific aspect to it and its not as simple as A, B, C. i agree with him on this one. and i also agree circuit training is beneficial.

[jadagod]

just had a thought, so does that mean like flipin tyres, pushing cars and chopin wood with a sledgehammer is strength train not bodybluidin like what palvik said he done???? sounds about right to me still love my circuits tho

[TheWolf]

just had a thought, so does that mean like flipin tyres, pushing cars and chopin wood with a sledgehammer is strength train not bodybluidin like what palvik said he done???? sounds about right to me still love my circuits tho

Those are for explosive power.

[PunchDrunk]

I'm not a personal trainer. Please, explain to me why body builders, even like Mariusz Pudzianowski, with extensive boxing experience, arent throwing punches like Calzaghe.

In my experience, you cant train a guy to drive a bus, and expect him to win with a race car.
You cant train muscle to lift heavy objects by moving slowly, and expect it to increase in speed.

Also, please tell me why circuit training even exists, and is so popular if low rep training is superior.

Boxing > Circuit Training in regards to cardio.


I'm on these forums to learn. If you can somehow provide evidence, great.

See, now you're comparing apples and oranges. Your problem is that you don't know how to properly define strength. You also don't know enough about physiology to make the distinction between bigger muscles and increases in strength.

Of course bodybuilders (Pudzianowsky's a strong man competitor, not a bodybuilder though...) can't throw punches like a boxer. They don't train to throw punches. Are you saying circuit training will teach a person to throw punches like Calzaghe? (besides, it is NOT Calzaghe's punching technique that makes him a special fighter, in fact it's anything BUT that)

To be able to throw a good punch (or do anything else a fighter needs to be able to do), you have to train that skill. That is specific skill training. What goes into training any athlete besides skill training? A few things... some of the more obvious (especially for fighters) include conditioning and strength training. These types of training are used so the individual athlete will have a better set of physical tools to execute the skills he's acquired in his specific skill training.

In oversimplified terms, if you have two equally skilled athletes, the one who is better prepared physically will win.

Now, conditioning isn't such a controversial subject, most people, even the ones with no knowledge and little experience with training, understand that if you work your ass off, your conditioning improves.

Strength training, for some reason, is a little harder to understand... Cutting this post a little short, let me just say that to become stronger, you have to lift heavy. Circuits are normally too light (if they get heavy enough to be real strength training, they're called complexes) to be defined as strength training. Basically circuits are conditioning which CAN include a little bit of an element of strength training. They mostly serve to build your strength endurance, not your maximal strength.

And you really should go back and reread what I said, because I didn't say low reps were superior to circuits, I said they work a different purpose, namely strength, and to that end they are superior. If you want to be more conditioned then circuits are the way to go. Just figure out WHAT you want to train at a given time, because that determines which methods to use.

Strength training with low reps have their place in any athlete's regimen, and so do circuits, and like I said, I use both. Low reps for strength, circuits for strength endurance (ie. conditioning).

[TheWolf]

See, now you're comparing apples and oranges. Your problem is that you don't know how to properly define strength. You also don't know enough about physiology to make the distinction between bigger muscles and increases in strength.

Of course bodybuilders (Pudzianowsky's a strong man competitor, not a bodybuilder though...) can't throw punches like a boxer. They don't train to throw punches. Are you saying circuit training will teach a person to throw punches like Calzaghe? (besides, it is NOT Calzaghe's punching technique that makes him a special fighter, in fact it's anything BUT that)

To be able to throw a good punch (or do anything else a fighter needs to be able to do), you have to train that skill. That is specific skill training. What goes into training any athlete besides skill training? A few things... some of the more obvious (especially for fighters) include conditioning and strength training. These types of training are used so the individual athlete will have a better set of physical tools to execute the skills he's acquired in his specific skill training.

In oversimplified terms, if you have two equally skilled athletes, the one who is better prepared physically will win.

Now, conditioning isn't such a controversial subject, most people, even the ones with no knowledge and little experience with training, understand that if you work your ass off, your conditioning improves.

Strength training, for some reason, is a little harder to understand... Cutting this post a little short, let me just say that to become stronger, you have to lift heavy. Circuits are normally too light (if they get heavy enough to be real strength training, they're called complexes) to be defined as strength training. Basically circuits are conditioning which CAN include a little bit of an element of strength training. They mostly serve to build your strength endurance, not your maximal strength.

And you really should go back and reread what I said, because I didn't say low reps were superior to circuits, I said they work a different purpose, namely strength, and to that end they are superior. If you want to be more conditioned then circuits are the way to go. Just figure out WHAT you want to train at a given time, because that determines which methods to use.

Strength training with low reps have their place in any athlete's regimen, and so do circuits, and like I said, I use both. Low reps for strength, circuits for strength endurance (ie. conditioning).

So, were disagreeing on my definition of circuit training.

I think the video links provided earlier will provide a more definite example of what I was trying to explain.

From what I saw, the weights being used were circuit training to me, but perhaps it is what you have called complexes. After research, tho, this complex training youve made note of is hard to find information on.

My apologies for being confusing.

[PunchDrunk]

So, were disagreeing on my definition of circuit training.

I think the video links provided earlier will provide a more definite example of what I was trying to explain.

From what I saw, the weights being used were circuit training to me, but perhaps it is what you have called complexes. After research, tho, this complex training youve made note of is hard to find information on.

My apologies for being confusing.

Try listening to what Couture says himself in the clip: "The average person, lifting a lot of weight is gonna say, well that's not very much weight, how are you gonna get stronger using 25 pounds on each side of the bar?" The first time we put them through the routine, the 3rd or 4th set, they feel like puking, and they quickly realize it's a different kind of training with a different goal in mind"

The stuff he's doing is not for strength. Other than that, his form and depth on his split squats and squats is piss poor. Not impressed with what he's doing there.

What he's doing in the clip would technically be a complex (a very long and light one), since he's using the same bar with the same weight, doing the exercises non stop for a full set. Circuit training implies that you go from exercise to exercise. That's hardly the point though. The point is you have to go heavy/low rep to increase strength. Medium reps (6-12) is generally for hypertrophy, and above 12 is muscle endurance. You can tweak it depending on how many sets you do of the two first (low and medium reps), but there is no question that you need to go heavy to increase strength.