Stance - Square Shoulders v 45 Degrees

[Verstyle]

if u get a chance, a pic or vid would be nice becuase i might not be understanding how this is comfortable. maybe i cant see it right i dono but if u can get a pic or vid that would be tight...

I'll make a video in a few today.

[SpeedKillz]

I'll make a video in a few today.

word......

[Verstyle]

Hope this helps.

[SpeedKillz]

Hope this helps.

oh ok cool that does help i see what ur doing now i do the same thing sometimes but i dont consider that squaring up cuz ur feet are still in position to move at an angle if u need to, and with that kind of torso twisting, if ur good at it, u can make some very troubling angles for ur opponent, if ur fast enough, which from ur fight vid u look like u r. good lookin out vers, thanks.

[Verstyle]

oh ok cool that does help i see what ur doing now i do the same thing sometimes but i dont consider that squaring up cuz ur feet are still in position to move at an angle if u need to, and with that kind of torso twisting, if ur good at it, u can make some very troubling angles for ur opponent, if ur fast enough, which from ur fight vid u look like u r. good lookin out vers, thanks.

I didnt say squaring up.haha I was talking about something totally different,thats why Punkdrunk asked what I was talking about and for me to explain.

[SpeedKillz]

I didnt say squaring up.haha I was talking about something totally different,thats why Punkdrunk asked what I was talking about and for me to explain.

oh aright then... anyway, thanks for the vid.

[jas]

i always thought angled stance gave your opponents less of a target and is better for your jab, angelo dundee used to teach angled stance

but joe frazier said this:

"Note that, when the feet are placed correctly, the upper body is turned, but just slightly. A lot of trainers will tell you that when you are in position, you should angle your upper body with the lead side forward so that your opponent gets a smaller target. That's wrong. How are you supposed to have balance when you're standing sideways? You want to be just about squared up to your opponent, facing him head-on. That's how you stay on balance. That's how you get power. So don't turn sideways. Stand with your shoulders just about straight across. Standing that way gives you more options defensively (block, slip, roll, duck) and it gives you better balance and power"
- Joe Frazier

probably good for frazier's style but he did have an underrated defense...

[HedonisticFrog]

i always thought angled stance gave your opponents less of a target and is better for your jab, angelo dundee used to teach angled stance

but joe frazier said this:

"Note that, when the feet are placed correctly, the upper body is turned, but just slightly. A lot of trainers will tell you that when you are in position, you should angle your upper body with the lead side forward so that your opponent gets a smaller target. That's wrong. How are you supposed to have balance when you're standing sideways? You want to be just about squared up to your opponent, facing him head-on. That's how you stay on balance. That's how you get power. So don't turn sideways. Stand with your shoulders just about straight across. Standing that way gives you more options defensively (block, slip, roll, duck) and it gives you better balance and power"
- Joe Frazier

probably good for frazier's style but he did have an underrated defense...

Mike Tyson also squared up with his opponents. It's good for pressure fighters with good head movement.

[Ray Corso]

No trainer teaches squared up unless the body type dictates it!
Squaring up takes balance away, just have someone stand in front of you and use a conventional stance and then square and have your buddy push your shoulders. Not hard and not fast just a shove! You should be able to tell, don't forget to bend in the knees and waist slightly.

Even Cus D'Amato who taught high cheek glove defense along with short stepping to get close didn't want a square look at distance. However when your taught to double right hands (bottom to top) you will bring your right foot up to be able to drop weight on them to add more power!
Fighters who are good at this method must remain low in their stance and maintain their head moves that go with their punches.
When Cus's fighters would get into trouble they would standing up to often and then forgetting their head rotations when working in combinations.
As I've said before the pressure guys have as much if not more to learn to excel and be in as good or better condition to maintain pressure!

I understand what Frazier was commenting on, Joe needed to bring the back foot up to perform his rotations underneath. Could you imagine Ali squared up? Ha!
Ray.

[LoadedWraps]

I see more and more pro boxers who fight with their shoulders basically square to their opponent

Just this weekend we had Cotto and Mormeck fight from these kind of stances

Advantage is you can launch a right hand lead as easily as the jab, a right hook as easily as a left hook

disadvantage is your right hand won't be as powerful

Thoughts ?

My trainer stresses 45 or more, to make the body a harder target, and I try and follow that to the T.