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This is what happens when a gold medal boxer tries to fight ROKIE MMA guy!!

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  • #61
    I guess my assumption is probably incorrect, as I was more or less basing street fights off of the fights I've seen, which consist of teenagers and school kids. Never really adults.

    I suppose two adults in a bar wouldn't want to roll around, and would rather smash each other's faces in with their fists, or more preferably, a pool cue
    remembering back when i was in school, i have never seen more than two fights go to the ground. not even the chick fights - which were open hand slapfests and were actually somewhat entertaining. even though i haven't really seen much groundwork going on in school fights in person, i have seen videos of such. those are comprised of two kids who are so afraid to get hit that they close in on eachother to lessen the amount of space for a punch to be thrown and trip/fall over eachother.

    i have seen fights go down to ground level, but they pretty much never end on the ground. there's usually a few seconds of unskilled grappling with a poorly applied headlock or just some weak position work. after a few seconds, it usually gets back up to stand up fighting if they still want to go at it.

    Yeah if anyone untrained tried to take you down you just gotta open up on his head and face as hes coming at ya lol.
    may not be as easy as you make it sound. one - if you don't move and try punching, there is a much better chance of taking you down than if you had tried to move around.

    two - if you step straight back or straight forward and you aren't well trained in dealing with diverse situations like this one, there is a chance that you will get taken down even if you hit the guy.

    three - you may not know when the person is going to shoot and attempt a take down. a good grappler isn't just thinking "take down." he will fake a jab or throw a few punches to distract you from his real goal. this concept is as old as martial arts themselves.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Chief Vash View Post
      Kimbo seems pretty gnarly. I am curious to see how many fights he can keep up. I hope he gets up to the top, or something.
      He is big. And keeps himself looking intimidating. He's strong and can't hit. But He's not that good. Wouldn't last an entire round as they are set up in the MMA venues. And wouldn't box more that 3-4. He's a big bully end of story. I'm not impressed. With him at all.

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      • #63
        I would think it must be a bit embarrassing for Mercer to basically lose to a guy from the street like this. It's very sad for Mercer, who at the peak of his career was giving Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield all they could handle. I think it still boils down to the fact he didn't take this seriously enough and wasn't expecting Kimbo to use those moves.

        He should have called it a day after that Bonjasky farce.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by paul750 View Post
          I don't understand this notion that he lost when he stepped up to ''MMA.'' He lost because he was too pig-headed to learn some basic MMA moves. Kimbo was more or less a boxer himself, he just had the brains to know he could probably only win if he incorporated some MMA into his game.
          This is mostly true. In fact, a few seconds before he was finished Mercers had Kimbo's head under his arm in the whole exchange but had no clue how to lock in a guillotine.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by paul750 View Post
            I would think it must be a bit embarrassing for Mercer to basically lose to a guy from the street like this. It's very sad for Mercer, who at the peak of his career was giving Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield all they could handle. I think it still boils down to the fact he didn't take this seriously enough and wasn't expecting Kimbo to use those moves.

            He should have called it a day after that Bonjasky farce.
            Its not like kimbo is just any guy off the street though. He is a rare athlete with a great deal of power and experience fighting. Kimbo also appeared to train hard for the fight and worked with bas ruten (sp?) to learn mma style fighting. Mercer is also well past his prime. Its hard to say for sure what would have happened if the fight had gone longer, but it looked to me like kimbo was overwhelming mercer before it went to the ground. From what I saw I think Kimbo would have knocked him out early on even if it had just been a boxing match.

            This doesnt say anything about mma is better than boxing or whatever, just that kimbo is too effective a brawler for mercer (in his current condition) to deal with in any form of combat.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by SpeedKillz View Post
              so ur sayin that the mma champs in ufc can beat any of the boxing champs in a boxing ring? ur a ****** if u think that. if any champion boxer went into the cage, they would most likely lose, if mma guys went into a boxing ring, they would definitely lose.
              I dunno about winning but MMA fighters have a better chance in boxing than boxers do in MMA.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Lethal View Post
                I dunno about winning but MMA fighters have a better chance in boxing than boxers do in MMA.
                i respect ur opinion and ur thoughts on mma. to each's own. but i'm afraid ur dead wrong. i personally went to philly mma one time to learn some ground work and i got my ass handed to me on a silver platterce i got taken down, which was about 2 minutes into the round which was a 4 minute round. i then asked the coach to let me spar the same guy all stand up, and i used that same silver platter to hand him his own ass, and i'm no master boxer. MOST mma fighters could not make it in a boxing ring, just like MOST boxers wouldnt make it in an mma ring, so dont say mma'ers are stronger and better fighters then boxers, and vice versa. its a ****** childish ignorant statement...

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by SpeedKillz View Post
                  i respect ur opinion and ur thoughts on mma. to each's own. but i'm afraid ur dead wrong. i personally went to philly mma one time to learn some ground work and i got my ass handed to me on a silver platterce i got taken down, which was about 2 minutes into the round which was a 4 minute round. i then asked the coach to let me spar the same guy all stand up, and i used that same silver platter to hand him his own ass, and i'm no master boxer. MOST mma fighters could not make it in a boxing ring, just like MOST boxers wouldnt make it in an mma ring, so dont say mma'ers are stronger and better fighters then boxers, and vice versa. its a ****** childish ignorant statement...
                  I will half heartedly agree with this statement. Due to the fact I have handed several guy's asses who are and have been training for Mixed Martial Arts fighting competition. (again I will die before I recognize mma as a style) In a Boxing rules Sparring session. On their feet they suck plain and simple. Too easy to slip you see the punches coming from around the corner. They wanna come straight at ya making lateral movement and timely pivots a nasty weapon to use on them. I say half heartedly agree, because all a boxer needs to do to dominate in their world is learn to guard the shoots. and stay on his feet. And or tie them up when it does go to the ground and stay out of a submission.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Lethal View Post
                    I dunno about winning but MMA fighters have a better chance in boxing than boxers do in MMA.
                    Most certainly not. I could not disagree with this statement more strongly. Boxers flat out punch harder, and have better chins, at least when it comes to taking punches. Now, with an MMAer in a boxing ring and a boxer in an MMA win, both of them only have a punchers chance. The boxers punchers chance is a hell of a lot bigger.

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                    • #70
                      Boxers train boxing. That's the thing. Ya'll seen to forget that boxers ONLY train boxing. Why practice all that shoulder rolling **** in MMA? That's why some MMA fighters don't work so hard with boxing, they practice the usual hook, jab, cross and standup defense. They don't need all that extra bull**** cuz it won't work so quit hating.

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