Leg strength and explosiveness

[PunchDrunk]

I was just using the bar for the traditional weight exercises.
I went as light as i could possibly go.
I know i should've given it more time to acclimate, but the soreness is only part of the issue though.

The big problem is that i've gotta work 10 hour days and rush to 2 gyms in under 4 hours of free time.
The schedule's just too tight.
Getting home from boxing by 8~8:30, changing clothes, and having to finish a weight workout by 10 is just too much. I've found I can not reliably wake up to hit the gym in the AM, even going to bed by 10.

I figure with kettlebells, I can go jogging for a half hour at around 10, then go on my back porch and swing those things around for a good half hour, 45 min, take a shower and go to sleep.

I can also lug the versaball to the boxing gym and add a good 20 minutes at the end of my boxing workout for twists, sledgehammers, abs, and chest passes.

Should all fit into my schedule much easier.

Also, I don't really like the gym where i lift weights, but it's through work and cheap. I'd like to stay out of there if possible. hehe

EDIT: PS, In the past, kettlebells haven't made me sore, I don't know why.

Okay, I can see the problem. I would never do a weights session that shortly after a boxing workout that will leave you fatigued. I can see where the soreness comes from in your case!

In your case, with your schedule and all, forgetting about the weights for the time being is definitely the better choice.

[Darkstar]

I got pretty strong legs, but I noticed that with all the deadlifts, my legs got much heavier, so I need to get my explosiveness back while keeping all the strength.
Any tips on how to do that?

Try Plyometrics.... And listen to PunchDrunk

[FeelTheA-Force]

What a load of crap. Weights don't slow you down, there's TONS of physiological evidence out there that say the opposite. It's like claiming the Earth is flat. Get your head out of your ass and read.

Strength is natural, yes. But so is speed. So is timing. So is endurance. All of those you need to train, and strength is another natural component of athleticism you need to train. You clearly don't have the practical experience to back up your talk, because you'd know better.

with all respect to you mate, i dont want to fight. where all hear to learn and share ideas and experiances.

from my own experiance, i know that lat pull downs on th weight machines, make my guard open. as i cant close up easily, due to the muscles in my latts and back becoming tight.

bench press makes me slow at throwing the jab.

YES i do get stronger, and YES my punches are more harder and hurt more. but the price I SEEM to pay is the loss of speed and the tight robotic frame.

you do seem to know alot about weight training, so, ima respect you.

[PunchDrunk]

with all respect to you mate, i dont want to fight. where all hear to learn and share ideas and experiances.

from my own experiance, i know that lat pull downs on th weight machines, make my guard open. as i cant close up easily, due to the muscles in my latts and back becoming tight.

bench press makes me slow at throwing the jab.

YES i do get stronger, and YES my punches are more harder and hurt more. but the price I SEEM to pay is the loss of speed and the tight robotic frame.

you do seem to know alot about weight training, so, ima respect you.

Hey cool, I don't really want to pick a fight either.

I do know a lot about weight training, but my specialty is weight training for fighters, because I'm a boxing trainer first and foremost.

I'm sure my experience with weight training for fighters has been more positive than your personal training for a reason. I probably have a better theoretical background from which to draw, when using weights for my fighters. So far (5-6 years, 15-20 different fighters who have trained long enough to get an effect)), I've had mostly good results with my boxers.

Getting results takes time. If you do bench presses one day, of course you're going to feel heavy and slow the next day (maybe two, if you're overdoing it). But that's the same as saying "roadwork doesn't help my stamina, it just makes me tired." Of course there's going to be an immediate impact on your form thatis negative. Training is meant for the long run, so if you're training hard and often, ALL training can make you feel sluggish, slow or tired. The point is, with proper recovery,you come back stronger, faster and fitter.

If the muscles in your back become that tight, maybe you're overdoing it, doing it wrong, or just not stretching? Unless you're putting on 20 lbs. of muscle (in which case you're obviously doing it wrong), tightness shouldn't be a problem. And if it is, a little mobility work easily rectifies the problem.

Weight training should be done right, and it should be implemented properly into the rest of a boxers training regime. If the different training aspects are taken into consideration in the overall training plan, then weights, power endurance work, explosive work (plyometrics and more), endurance training, technique and tactics should make up a balanced whole that'll make you the best fighter you can be.

[Pork Chop]

my kettlebells came today

can't wait to play with 'em.

even if i can't fit them in at night, it's a lot easier to wake up & workout on your porch than to drive to a gym, find parking, and all that.

[Smilodon]

Plyometrics: http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/plyometrics.html

[KingDosia]

yes, but even light weights slow u down.. if your "conditioned" well there is no need to do weights..

strenght is natural. and speed and timing = power.

Oh lord what the hell happened to the training forum why would you post this.

Strength is natural? has potatoes been in here? WTF
I'm not going to correct you for I am sure Punch Drunk already has. Do some research ass hole.

[GFlannery]

Medicine Ball Squats, Medicine Ball lunges, Power Jumps, Ice Skaters...

I think all of those are helpful for explosiveness. It also sounds like lots of the other people in this thread know their ****.

[KingDosia]

I see Punch Drunk as posted in the thread so I won't repeat what has already been said. I will note the importance of a balance between
Max strength, Speed or starting strength and Conditioning. A fighter needs to be developed in these particular areas with a delicate balance. It's common sence if you look at it this way. You train for too much Max strength you suffer when it comes to speed and conditioning. Train too much for speed you suffer Max strength which you need for power. Train on conditioning too much the other two will suffer and you will have a half assed but long lasting physique. It's not really that simple, And my discription is basic. But a foundation to consider.
Plyometrics and burpess, Are great for conditioning and a small amount of strength training. Speed and Max strength training both require resistance.
I could go on and on and on about compound lifts and various movements because thats my passion. perfection in combative sports. I have tested all types of **** and have a good grasp on how the body works, however Posters like Punch and Big Dozer when he was around have helped teach me even more and updated what I already knew. Learn don't argue I guess I am saying. lol .

[1_Punch_KO]

kingdosia, hop off punchdrunk's nuts please...

punchdrunk, box squats are better IMO then regular squats when done explosively for speed. you cant really go regular squats explosively