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  • -EX-
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    #11
    Originally posted by Castillofan
    The only thing missing from Floyd Mayweather, Jr’s post-Baldomir press conference was Antonio Margarito barging his way to the podium and screaming, “Don’t give this bum no statue, give him guts!” If you can call a Stallone movie art, then that’s what life imitated last Saturday in Las Vegas.

    Only, Mayweather wouldn’t have demanded the chance to silence his provocateur. Confidante Leonard Ellerbe would not have threatened to leave town, and imparted the devastating truth that Mayweather’s last eight opponents were handpicked. The new welterweight champion was already far too emotional in contemplation of his exit from the sport he has dominated on the path of least resistance.

    Carlos Baldomir’s Cinderella story ended. But don’t cry for him, Argentina. The truth is he tried to force the fight, but even when he landed there was nothing in his punches to trouble a boxer two steps ahead of him and counting.

    Baldomir said it would come down to who had the bigger balls, even “testiculating” for the cameras alongside Mayweather at the weigh-in. It never came to that because Mayweather wouldn’t allow it. Where some fighters forego the use of their boxing skills in order to prove themselves in a dogfight, “Pretty Boy” has remained so by his absolute refusal to come out from the confines of his craft.

    In the superficial paradise of Vegas, where delusions are encouraged, Mayweather had himself carried to the ring by mock Roman centurions wearing a gladiator outfit ludicrous in both concept and appearance. Sauntering through the last four years, negotiating away from risk, he has resembled nothing of a warrior, and deserves not their rewards.

    As a passionless extension of the Roy Jones, Jr. philosophy, Mayweather succeeded in seducing HBO, but not the viewers whose dollars decide a fighter’s status. As a pay-per-view attraction, Mayweather is a resounding failure, a fact no amount of post-fight distractions can obscure.
    He is a mess of contradictions. He claims he does not fight for money, yet all his movements have brought him closer to a fight with Oscar de la Hoya, the financial nonpareil. He speaks of the strength of his legacy, yet he has failed to galvanize it with quality opposition for the last four years.

    There is ambivalence about Mayweather that seems to be at the root of his failure to capture the public’s favor. A talent such as his cannot be cultivated without the proper discipline, meaning that he could never succumb to temptations and be drawn back to the dangerous streets such as might Zab Judah. Unwilling to fritter away his talent, Mayweather could be neither all thug nor technician. And while agents and managers tried to devise an identity for him, he remained in the centre of it all; offering whichever answers and behaviors seemed to yield the best result, regardless of the contradictions.

    The reinventions of his persona confused the public. Though it may not have coincided with his true personality, one feels he would have been better served to play the villain that fans would love to hate. His arrogance would compliment the untouchable nature of his fighting style, and the less likely it seemed that anyone would be able to beat him, the greater an annoyance he would be to a legion of fans that would gladly pay to see him beaten.

    Perhaps the root of the problem lies much deeper. Oscar de la Hoya’s devotion to his family was always made obvious; whereas, the *********** of the Mayweather clan is common knowledge. When was the last time a pre-fight interview took place from a prison as did Roger Mayweather’s on Saturday? Struggling to be himself under the guidance of his father and met with the complex challenge of becoming not only the best fighter, but also the biggest attraction in a sport, Mayweather is an individual everyone thought would rise to the challenge. Sadly, all of the talent in the world could not save him.

    The last ten years of HBO boxing has brought us Jones, Bernard Hopkins, and now Mayweather: Three negotiators far more concerned with not conceding advantages to opponents and stealing their way towards greatness instead of taking it with force. If Mayweather is serious about retiring after his next fight, then he should do it and mind that the door doesn’t hit him on the way out. It’s high time that the pound-for-pound champion was the embodiment of a boxer instead of a businessman.

    At least Floyd can make weight...

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    • Castillofan
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      #12
      Why expect anything other than the usual inane bantering about who deserves to fight who or who's done this or that from anyone? Anyone who truly knows boxing and doesn't like Floyd doesn't like him because he claims to be the best but has not done anything other than handpick the last four years of his career. Anyone can see that. When he fights, he doesn't fight with heart. He calculates. Powerful as Lennox Lewis was, people did not love him, not even the British people, because he fought with calculation and didn't give advantages to opponents they didn't already have. That's smart from a tactical standpoint, but in terms of legacy, it is not. Mayweather will never be loved by the people. Clearly, with the level of discourse here, who really cares?

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      • Nacho_Analstain
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        #13
        alot of people love mayweather,it depends what a legacy is built on,you cant say he has no legacy because he calculates his fights,he is just smart,he makes the right moves,hes a very skilled fighter and athlete,and thats what his legacy is built around,him being so talented.

        plus,he has never had to show heart in a fight,when has a fighter ever give floyd any serious problems,he hasnt had to dig deep yet nobody has,i think we will see some heart from him when he fights oscar though cause he will need it,and fights with castillo,corrales,gatti,judah,baldomir,are all very good wins,he jus made them look like ****,so it is easy to say he fights with no heart,but u aint even seen it

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        • Abe Attell
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          #14
          Originally posted by Castillofan
          Why expect anything other than the usual inane bantering about who deserves to fight who or who's done this or that from anyone? Anyone who truly knows boxing and doesn't like Floyd doesn't like him because he claims to be the best but has not done anything other than handpick the last four years of his career. Anyone can see that. When he fights, he doesn't fight with heart. He calculates. Powerful as Lennox Lewis was, people did not love him, not even the British people, because he fought with calculation and didn't give advantages to opponents they didn't already have. That's smart from a tactical standpoint, but in terms of legacy, it is not. Mayweather will never be loved by the people. Clearly, with the level of discourse here, who really cares?
          And this is why if you were a General you would get your ass handed to you in war.

          War is about calculation.

          And do you forget the way Floyd fought at 130-140? He broke down his fighters then took them out. He has KO's on his record, does he not?

          He doesn't move around all the time, but fighting bigger fighters, like Baldomir, he has to.


          Now Alexander the Great may stand above the rest of the Generals of history not only because of his great "calculations", but because he lead his military into battle, but he died in his early 30's, leaving his children to be killed, and his empire to fall.

          Oh, did you know that Genghis Kahn wasn't leading his men into battle, he actually was far behind, watching the battle field, playing it like chess.

          Floyd will walk out of boxing, if he does retire after Oscar, with lots of money, and his brain intact. He will be able to communicate with his children, and live the rest of his life how he feels.

          Don't blame Floyd for his incredible skill.

          Don't blame Floyd for being an intelligent fighter
          Last edited by Abe Attell; 11-14-2006, 08:09 PM.

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          • Kid Achilles
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            #15
            Briggs got a title shot for beating up journeymen and talking a lot. Why can't Margarito?

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            • mgkirkpatrick
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              #16
              haha someone made the point implicitly that floyd would be better liked if he wasnt as good a boxer. if he wasnt so talented that he had to struggle to beat the names he's fought. i dont think it should detract from his legacy that he hasnt had to slug it out to destroy all of his opponents.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Kid Achilles
                Briggs got a title shot for beating up journeymen and talking a lot. Why can't Margarito?

                He will be making way more money than he would against De La Hoya, than fighting Margarito. Oscar is a future hall of famer. A victory over him would be big. He will be making at least $10 million. He made the same fighting Baldomir as he would for Margarito, and he fought Baldomir who has wins over better competition.

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                • ferocity
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                  #18
                  The floyd fans rush to this thread.

                  Its true that Floyd has handpicked his opponet for many years now, so it shouldn't be unexpected that he's dominting fighters the way he is.

                  And its true that Floyd has run from a legit challenger in Margarito. Some say "who did Margarito fight to earn a shot at Mayweather...." and i keep asking with no one able to answere, "who did Mayweather fight to earn a shot at G.Hernandez?"

                  And some one said, "it'll be years till we see talent like Mayweather again, LOL! That the same thing i heard when Roy Jones Jr. was on his way out. After Roy left we got Mayweather. After Mayweather leaves, since people dont' care about borring fights, well, truth be know, we will have Ivan Caldron. And as with Floyd who cares if his fights are boring and dominating, he is very skilled.

                  All this legacy ****, is crazy, sounds like a damn excuse for fighters to take the step of least resistance.
                  Last edited by ferocity; 11-15-2006, 07:42 PM.

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                  • Castillofan
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                    Look, it's a very simple formula: Those fighters that fought with heart and didn't conduct themselves like smug businessmen drew the affection of the people much more than technicians who simply CALCULATED their way to victory. It's not that Mayweather should fight with his heart, but he should not expect to carry the same reputation as those that do. He beat two great fighters in their primes in Corrales and Castillo. Well, he ran like a scolded dog from Castillo in the second, but that's another story. The truth is, he's fought within himself and has never produced a performance that proves he has the balls to stand there and slug it out, to prove he's a warrior. Simple as that. He is what he is, and the bad PPV numbers and drawing capacity reflect that, as will the way he is remembered in the years after his retirement.

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                    • josenoway
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                      #20
                      lol.
                      this is what it's come down to?

                      they're BITCHING ABOUT HIS RINGWALK?

                      ahahahaha.

                      it never fails to amaze me how much floyd's critics whine about literally everything. if he slugs it out, they *****. if he boxes, they *****. if he fights spinks, they *****. so he switches to baldomir, they *****. then they promise that carlos is going to beat the **** out of him with superior size and strength. when floyd boxes his ears off, what do the critics do...? they *****.

                      he gets a fight with DLH, they *****. all they do is *****. it's getting old.

                      Originally posted by Castillofan
                      In the superficial paradise of Vegas, where delusions are encouraged, Mayweather had himself carried to the ring by mock Roman centurions wearing a gladiator outfit ludicrous in both concept and appearance. Sauntering through the last four years, negotiating away from risk, he has resembled nothing of a warrior, and deserves not their rewards.
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