Boring thread about mayweather, my theory as to why he is so disliked

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Very interesting read. I disagree about Juan Diaz and the like though because DLH is American born of Mexican parents and he is hugely successful.

I think in the end some of the fighters just like floyd themselves dont put their country on the map themselves. They downplay what they are fighting for and thus people dont feel much riding on their fights.

For example Floyd's fought fighters from Mexico and other countries yet ive never yet heard him say something like "This fight is for the USA" or enter with shorts sporting American style or something like that. They are supposed to be the world championships but there he is representing the city he is training at and hbo. If he doesnt act like he is representing the states and he is the one competing in it, why would anyone else feel like he is?

As you said foreign fighters get more play but they also play the WORLD championship part better. They walk in with flags, music, and decorations on their shorts that symbolize their country of origins. Before and after the fight they will say "this fight is for all of "

DLH would probably be the last fighter I really remember to boast the American flag and his American nationality for a while. And we all saw his success.

Of course thats not to say anyone showing a lot of American pride will reach the same success but it will certainly help make his case as the man to represent the states in what other countries feel really is World Championship Boxing.

[El Jesus]

Very interesting read. I disagree about Juan Diaz and the like though because DLH is American born of Mexican parents and he is hugely successful.

I think in the end some of the fighters just like floyd themselves dont put their country on the map themselves. They downplay what they are fighting for and thus people dont feel much riding on their fights.

For example Floyd's fought fighters from Mexico and other countries yet ive never yet heard him say something like "This fight is for the USA" or enter with shorts sporting American style or something like that. They are supposed to be the world championships but there he is representing the city he is training at and hbo. If he doesnt act like he is representing the states and he is the one competing in it, why would anyone else feel like he is?

As you said foreign fighters get more play but they also play the WORLD championship part better. They walk in with flags, music, and decorations on their shorts that symbolize their country of origins. Before and after the fight they will say "this fight is for all of "

Thank you for reading and understanding i wasnt "playing a race card" for the sake of complaining.

I think its harder to play the USA card with the circumstances in the world today unless you fight abroad..if mayweather fights in england against hatton, i garuntee you he does this, but here in america, its harder to pull that off unless your like Litzau and you start that **** from the start of your career. But your right, i didint think about it like that as far as other people playing the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP card, however, they usually do that **** from day one.


DLH is american born, but he was also an olympian, and had a huge hype blitz from day one. Not too many olympians get that these days at all. he had it all from the start. Not to mention, DLH Lived up to his own hype, and he was popular with the ladies which is just absolutely huge.

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Thank you for reading and understanding i wasnt "playing a race card" for the sake of complaining.

I think its harder to play the USA card with the circumstances in the world today unless you fight abroad..if mayweather fights in england against hatton, i garuntee you he does this, but here in america, its harder to pull that off unless your like Litzau and you start that **** from the start of your career. But your right, i didint think about it like that as far as other people playing the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP card, however, they usually do that **** from day one.


DLH is american born, but he was also an olympian, and had a huge hype blitz from day one. Not too many olympians get that these days at all. he had it all from the start.

Certainly but even his fame that came from him being an olympian is because of his representation of the United States. People feel when he is fighting he is representing them against fighters from all countries.

Meldrick taylor when he fought Julio cesar chavez was also widely seen as a representative of the United states and that fight was arguably the most nationalistic matchup in the last 30 years of U.S. boxing history. Everyone was feeling their pride riding on the shoulders of Taylor and Chavez.

Hehehe I agree u probably do gotta do it from day one, and thats probably whats missing kids in the states live in the world stage so their phrase of what they wanna be is probably something like "I wanna be a champion one day" While fighters from other countries say something like "I wanna be World Champion one day"

[j]

i hope you didn't get the idea that i hate mexicans. i just think those people making racists comments were ignorant bastards.

and my favorite fighters come from all over. here's a list of my favorite fighters who are still active:

by the way, i don't place any value on race or nationality in the fighters i like - even if other people do. my current active favorite fighters are:

Emanuel Augustus - American
Manny Pacquiao - Philippine
Wladimir Klitschko - Ukrainian
Felix Sturm - German

so, as you can see, my current favorite fighters are all across the board in terms of race and nationality.

[El Jesus]

i hope you didn't get the idea that i hate mexicans. i just think those people making racists comments were ignorant bastards.

and my favorite fighters come from all over. here's a list of my favorite fighters who are still active:

by the way, i don't place any value on race or nationality in the fighters i like - even if other people do. my current active favorite fighters are:

Emanuel Augustus - American
Manny Pacquiao - Philippine
Wladimir Klitschko - Ukrainian
Felix Sturm - German

so, as you can see, my current favorite fighters are all across the board in terms of race and nationality.

I had to clear that up for other mexicans, not for yourself, i wouldnt imply that about you. I know your posting style very well.

[El Jesus]

Certainly but even his fame that came from him being an olympian is because of his representation of the United States. People feel when he is fighting he is representing them against fighters from all countries.

Meldrick taylor when he fought Julio cesar chavez was also widely seen as a representative of the United states and that fight was arguably the most nationalistic matchup in the last 30 years of U.S. boxing history. Everyone was feeling their pride riding on the shoulders of Taylor and Chavez.

The thing is, like i said, boxing has declined severely since then. Matchups like mayweather vs hatton are really important in that instance, but time and again, Hattons team makes it impossible for real negotiations, which goes back to my point about how terrible this era is, when it comes to champions fighting each other.

I agree with you about that fight, but look how long ago it was...i get sports illustrated every week, boxing is almost never a topic, but back in that year, i remember reading my cousins copy, and they had huge pages dedicated to how contraversial the fight was, that doesnt happen at all in any major publications other than ring magazine now, you feel me? Its changed that much since then, sadly.

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The thing is, like i said, boxing has declined severely since then. Matchups like mayweather vs hatton are really important in that instance, but time and again, Hattons team makes it impossible for real negotiations, which goes back to my point about how terrible this era is, when it comes to champions fighting each other.

I agree with you about that fight, but look how long ago it was...i get sports illustrated every week, boxing is almost never a topic, but back in that year, i remember reading my cousins copy, and they had huge pages dedicated to how contraversial the fight was, that doesnt happen at all in any major publications other than ring magazine now, you feel me? Its changed that much since then, sadly.

I definitely agree of the decline but u gotta admit, fighters are to blame when they dont represent on a national level in this case fighters like Floyd and others aspiring of a wider audience.

You cant expect a bigger audience than ur hometown if all ur representing is ur hometown thats all im saying.

[El Jesus]

I definitely agree of the decline but u gotta admit, fighters are to blame when they dont represent on a national level in this case fighters like Floyd and others aspiring of a wider audience.

You cant expect a bigger audience then ur hometown if all ur representing ur hometown is all im saying.

Floyd ruined that for himself, the image he has is forever embedded, and the family he comes from, its hard to seperate yourself from that, and when your as good as he is, its VERY hard to NOT talk a game of ****, i know i would.

But your right, floyd definately ****ed himself in that respect, but its impossible to know that the landscape of boxing would get worse and worse and worse as the years went on, because if boxing is what it was in 1990, it might be a different story.

[j]

definitely agree of the decline but u gotta admit, fighters are to blame when they dont represent on a national level in this case fighters like Floyd and others aspiring of a wider audience.

You cant expect a bigger audience then ur hometown if all ur representing ur hometown is all im saying.

it shouldn't be a nationalistic thing unless we are talking about the olympics.

if you have skills, an infectious personality, and a decent promoter, then you will likely become bigger and bigger.

repping one country or another will only serve to divide boxing fans. i would take a worldwide base of fans over a fan base on a national level any day.

that's just one reason i like wladimir klitschko. anywhere he goes is his home. he tries to appeal to all boxing fans. that's one of the reasons why he has a lot of fans all over the world.

[j]

but its impossible to know that the landscape of boxing would get worse and worse and worse as the years went on, because if boxing is what it was in 1990, it might be a different story.

i think boxing is coming back little by little. give it time. bigger fights seem to be getting more and more common.

also realize that ever since pro boxing as we know it was born, there always was a tendency to believe that the previous era/eras were better. what makes that so is that people get imbedded with memories when they were introduced to the sport. when you first start following boxing, everything is fresh and exciting. as time goes by, you see more and more - and less and less really shocks you or leaves an imprint.

for me, i still watch every fight like it's the first one i've watched. that keeps the sport interesting for me.