calzaghe at heavyweight

[GEOFFHAYES]

It's easy to say everybody uses, but you need proof

So what is Joe on again?

Lennox was on ?

I would like to know what each person is on and when they started to use

In boxing terms it's the American's, especially this and next generation.

[Abe Attell]

In boxing terms it's the American's, especially this and next generation.

LOL, I know your angle...so what about Hatton, that doesn't seem fishy?


You do know the Euros are well advanced on steroids don't you and were "juicing" well before the Americans

[GEOFFHAYES]

Eastern European's, yes.

I'm British, not European.

And no, Hatton has not used drugs. I know Kerry Kayes personally and he has nothing to do with performance enhancing drugs (neither does Dorian Yates), he's in the supplement business with Dorian. I also know Brian Batcheldor personally, Europe's leading steroid guru outside of the Eastern Block, and believe me I know more on the subject than you.. you'd be suprised just how rampant they are in sport. Soccer players you would never of thought, 99.9% of not just football players in the States but basketball and baseball too (and that number is no exaggeration) and even ice hockey.

[Exige Jr]

I know Joe's chin aint bad, but is it that good either? Good enough to take a full blown heavyweight shot.

Joe also doesnt have the strength of those guys. However, I disagree with BPP, I reckon he has sufficient reflexes. Nobody out there is a speed demon anyway, now. He might not have the reflexes of Jones but he has decent enough reflexes to avoid a shot from Oleg Maskaev and co.

I reckon he does well against Toney, depending.

Also may do well against any of the others that cannot box at all. Like Valuev.

Klitschko would be his downfall.

[Abe Attell]

Eastern European's, yes.

I'm British, not European.

And no, Hatton has not used drugs. I know Kerry Kayes personally and he has nothing to do with performance enhancing drugs (neither does Dorian Yates), he's in the supplement business with Dorian. I also know Brian Batcheldor personally, Europe's leading steroid guru outside of the Eastern Block, and believe me I know more on the subject than you.. you'd be suprised just how rampant they are in sport. Soccer players you would never of thought, 99.9% of not just football players in the States but basketball and baseball too (and the number is no exaggeration).

LOL...holy ****, now I really know you are one biased MF

And yes, I know they are "rampant" in sports, but not everybody is on them.

You do know there are still people that are just "Freaks of Nature" and are still better than guys that aren't on them?

[GEOFFHAYES]

LOL...holy ****, now I really know you are one biased MF

And yes, I know they are "rampant" in sports, but not everybody is on them.

You do know there are still people that are just "Freaks of Nature" and are still better than guys that aren't on them?

Yates has nothing to do with them anymore. Believe it or not but he was always against them, and never advises them, and, as is the case with the vast majority of users, was forced by the system to use.. to keep up (with the rest) obviously.

[GEOFFHAYES]

You do know there are still people that are just "Freaks of Nature" and are still better than guys that aren't on them?

Ah, very very very very few.

[Abe Attell]

Yates has nothing to do with them anymore. Believe it or not but he was always against them, and never advises them, and, as is the case with the vast majority of users, was forced by the system to use.. to keep up (with the rest) obviously.

but he was on them, and he is associated with Kayes, and Kayes is associated with Hatton, so you see my point?


It is easy to accuse by association, but it doesn't mean the person is on them, does it?

Plus, I still like how you say it is only the "Americans" when in fact steroids are in Britain as well...there was an Olympic athlete that tested positive along with other American athletes during the Balco Scandal


so if everybody is on them, you should fight against it, not buy into the system...plus, you are saying once again Hatton must be guilty because he has to compete with others who are using them

[Abe Attell]

Ah, very very very very few.

yes, agree...but they do exist and usually they are at the top no matter what it seems, except for the Olympics

[GEOFFHAYES]

I know they are in Britain, I know a certain fighter who's challenging for a British title next month that uses.. heck, I even used myself when I was fighting.