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  • !!Captain
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    #31
    Originally posted by Deeznuts
    My point was that Toney has done nothing in the HW division to prove his position in title shots. Peter in the other hand proved that he could compete in the Championship level by knocking Klitschko down and giving him a hell of a fight. And you guys keep bringing up that Toney won because 80% of the media thought Toney won. Well guess what, 90% of the media thought Rahman convincingly beat Toney.

    The fact is the Peter vs. Toney fight was an eliminator bout to put the winning fighter in line for the WBC title. What kind of elimination bout is it if a guy is declared the winner and an immediate rematch is needed? That's like having a race for a gold medal but the person you wanted to win failed and you demand a another race until your guy wins. Why don't they just hand him a belt.
    The thing is, that decision was so crooked, Toney's team could file a protest, launch an investigation into those judges' decision, and raise a **** storm that would implicate WBC in this whole affair as well. WBC did the right thing for themselves, fans, Toney, and the sport.

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    • PBDS
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      #32
      Originally posted by realheavyhands
      he beat ruiz with one arm , he beat guinn every round , and he was robbed against peter.... i became a toney fan only becuase i doubted him every fight and he always wins... he did look like **** a against rahaman , but he beat peter theres no question in my mind.. peter said toney would beat wlad ... and altho i would doubt him in that fight again but i bet he would win.. no that his arm is healed his jab was vicious against peter. they even said he broke peters nose inthe first round.. i guess we'll just have to weight for the rematch... another thing toney doestn duck anybody, wlad ducked valuev

      ...Who cares that Peter said Toney would beat Wlad? I wouldn't expect him to say anything less regardless of what he really believes. Take out the rabbit punches and Wlad beat the living **** out of Peter. Hell, he beat the living **** out of him even with the Rabbit punches. Wlad could have knocked him out cold if he pressed as he had Peter seriously on ***** street in the last round. Peter should hope they never meet again because Wlad would end it in spectacular fashion. He has his confidence back and he is a very very dangerous fighter once again. Toney stands no chance against Wlad if they were to meet.

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      • Welter_Skelter
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        #33
        Originally posted by GreatestIAM
        Man Toney has just happen to have some misfortunes thats all he beat RUIZ but was unknowingly on the juice,
        OH come on man!!! of course he wont admit it.. there is NO conspiarcy against James Toney.. The man is an awesome BOXER he is just TOO small to be an ELITE HW.. he needed roids to compete and got caught.. he is hardly unique.. Sticking your hed in the sand and pretending it didn't happen dont change the fact that it did.. Or have you not noticed he hasn't gone to court or even mildly protested.. Innocent people tend to fight when wrongly accused .. His last 2 performances are proof that he cant do the HW thing without them.. well he can do it.. JUST not on an elite level.. HOW come whenever I bring up the fact wheter he beat Peter or NOT.. what was Sam Peter even doing competeing with him If Toney is so awesome and Peter so ****e.. that Sam Peter was landing STRAIGHT punches(something I never seen before this fight) and countering Toneys left Hooks all night long (yeah you heard me SAm Peter countering) I get Stone cold silence? WHY WONT A Toney fan defend their boy when I bring this UP?

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        • Hitman932
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          #34
          anyone who thinks james toney could beat wladamir klitschko is smoking crack

          nobody will ever beat wladamir by decision, and toney is the only top 10 heayweight without the power to KO wlad, it would be a massacre

          but i would love to see the fight made, there are so many toney fans blind to the facts that i could probablr get some good odds on a wladamir victory

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          • freedom213
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            #35
            The reality is :

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            • freedom213
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              #36
              James Toney won that fight and this is the type of thing the commissions should do. Including investigating judges and holding them accountable when bull**** decisions go down. Nobody wants to give Toney a chance against Klitschko? Bull****! The guy stood in there with a legitimate heavyweight contender in Peter and rocked him many times, took his best punches and came back, He should have moved on to the title fight. If he can pull his weight issue together Toney could beat Klitschco all night long until his legs go to jello and he gets put to sleep as usual. Its really all about how bad Toney wants it.

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              • freedom213
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                #37
                I don't smoke crack ***** but you can smoke my crack!

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                • Hitman932
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by freedom213
                  Its really all about how bad Toney wants it.

                  yeah, of course youre going to put your money on the a guy that doesent train and when he loses youll just say "he didnt want it bad enough, if he trained properly he woulda won blah blah blah"


                  really though you are right

                  is it about how bad toney wants it

                  and he doesent want it bad enough, that much is obvious

                  as for smoking your crack, if james toney ever beats wladamir klitschko ill go ahead and do it, so long as you smoke mine if wlad wins?

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                  • GunStar
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Hitman932
                    yeah, of course youre going to put your money on the a guy that doesent train and when he loses youll just say "he didnt want it bad enough, if he trained properly he woulda won blah blah blah"


                    really though you are right

                    is it about how bad toney wants it

                    and he doesent want it bad enough, that much is obvious

                    as for smoking your crack, if james toney ever beats wladamir klitschko ill go ahead and do it, so long as you smoke mine if wlad wins?
                    Why is Wladimir in this debate, this topic has nothing to do with Wladimir, so please keep your 2 cents about Wladimir for another thread!

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Welter_Skelter
                      OH come on man!!! of course he wont admit it.. there is NO conspiarcy against James Toney.. The man is an awesome BOXER he is just TOO small to be an ELITE HW.. he needed roids to compete and got caught.. he is hardly unique.. Sticking your hed in the sand and pretending it didn't happen dont change the fact that it did.. Or have you not noticed he hasn't gone to court or even mildly protested.. Innocent people tend to fight when wrongly accused .. His last 2 performances are proof that he cant do the HW thing without them.. well he can do it.. JUST not on an elite level.. HOW come whenever I bring up the fact wheter he beat Peter or NOT.. what was Sam Peter even doing competeing with him If Toney is so awesome and Peter so ****e.. that Sam Peter was landing STRAIGHT punches(something I never seen before this fight) and countering Toneys left Hooks all night long (yeah you heard me SAm Peter countering) I get Stone cold silence? WHY WONT A Toney fan defend their boy when I bring this UP?
                      Please stop smoking crack, because you are talking out of your ass!

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