Margarito: "I Hope Carlos Baldomir Wins"

[El Jesus]

re black jesus:
there were plenty fights at 175 that were appealing to hopkins' legacy during his 'reign'. plenty ...

like who?

I mean...who? We know about jones jr, and we both know (or should know) why it didint happen. So who else?

[Abe Attell]

like who?

I mean...who? We know about jones jr, and we both know (or should know) why it didint happen. So who else?

agree, I can't think of anybody else besides Roy Jones Jr., but why didn't it happen?

I lean towards Bernard knowing he would get beat again...could it be he was waiting for guys like Tito and Oscar to move up for a big money fight, yeah, but Roy still beat him and there is no erasing that.

[ferocity]

There was a man name Sugar Ray Robinson, who was denied the chance to fight for the 147 pound title, so what did he do? he moved up to 160...but then again, mentioning SRR and Margarito in the same sentence will now get me in trouble from the boxing fans.'

Hopkins at 175 wasn't in "boxing shape"

You're right you shouldn't mention Margarito and Robinson because unlike Margarito, fans respected Ray Robinson, Margarito doesn't get the same respect.

Another fighter that couldn't get a title shot, through a fight in order to get his title shot, that was Jake Lamotta.

You translate reasonable criticism as hating..ok.

My point is, you said



I said



Spinks is a legit welterweight is my point. Margarito held how many titles at 154? Hopkins came down from 175 i think after his FIRST FIGHT, which was a loss. I think his goal from the start was to dominate at 160 and get 20 defenses, which he did.

Let Spinks fight Santos and Spinks will lose that title to Santos. Spinks can run, so can Santos, but Santos has pop that will stop the running man spinks.

As for your Hopkins response, you should be ashamed of yourself to write your bull****, or for beliving Hopkins bull****. Funny how he gets a free pass by you -nutthugging, showing your colors.

Lesser competition or not, he did it, and he did it in dominating fashion. And when he moved to LH to fight the RING champion in Tarver, he dominated then too, which is apart of my point that you cant use hopkins as an example when it comes to margarito. Because Hopkins' division was ****ty, but that was no fault of his own, 147 isnt a ****ty division and neither is 154, far more lucrative fights await margarito at 154 but he just stays.

Sing it. "nuthugging is what im doing, say it, nuthugging is what im saying, im black jesus and i'am nuthuggeing. belive it!" the song to your new song.

Guys what? Margarito has good competition, and had good competition. Deffernce is nobody wanted to fight him, untill! Years later after he offered money around to Mayweather and Winky. So don't even compare Hopkins to Margarito, because the difference of the two is that Margarito was/is feared.

Again, tell me why does Margarito have to move to 154? He makes 147 and you claim his division is deep in talent so why should he move up? Hopkins didn't, as mentioned Hopkins sat on his hands and waited for the smaller fighters to move up. Wait, thats not fair, truth be told, Hopkins was willing to go down in weight and face the smaller fighters.

It was years after Hopkins lost that he then moved up to light heavyweight. Maybe when Margarito loses at welterweight then he will move up.

Stop nuthugging on Hopkins ballls, let reality set in, Hopkins became famous/great after beating smaller fighters.

The lucrative fights for hopkins were never offered in other divisions until after he destroyed trinidad, who was FAVORED to beat hopkins. And what fights at light heavyweight were lucrative enough for hopkins to leave his titles at 160? The examples arent the same.

Man, you are just nuthugging...

Tell me what lucrative offer has been offered to Margarito?

Trinidad was favored, it doesn't remove the validicidy that Hopkins was the bigger fighter.

Why light heavyweight, he could have gone to super middleweight and fought Calzaghe, or fought Jones at light heavyweight.

LOOK!

You and your army are always saying how Margarito should move up. Yet, you have given many examples of why Hopkins didn't move up. NOW! Use those excuses you gave about Hopkins and now tranfers them to Margarito.

[Azteca]

hopkins was cleaning out 160 for years - he could of easily made fights with the top 168 and 175 fighters in the world at the time. instead he chose to make his '20 successful defences' which he says...when in reality he only put his undisputed titles on the line SIX times - all of the other times he was fighting for measly alphabet titles.

[ferocity]

Hopkins at 175 wasn't in "boxing shape"

You are truly nuthugging when it comes to Hopkins.

You translate reasonable criticism as hating..ok.

My point is, you said



I said



Spinks is a legit welterweight is my point. Margarito held how many titles at 154? Hopkins came down from 175 i think after his FIRST FIGHT, which was a loss. I think his goal from the start was to dominate at 160 and get 20 defenses, which he did. Lesser competition or not, he did it, and he did it in dominating fashion. And when he moved to LH to fight the RING champion in Tarver, he dominated then too, which is apart of my point that you cant use hopkins as an example when it comes to margarito. Because Hopkins' division was ****ty, but that was no fault of his own, 147 isnt a ****ty division and neither is 154, far more lucrative fights await margarito at 154 but he just stays.

The lucrative fights for hopkins were never offered in other divisions until after he destroyed trinidad, who was FAVORED to beat hopkins. And what fights at light heavyweight were lucrative enough for hopkins to leave his titles at 160? The examples arent the same. Tell me what fights between 2001-2005 were lucrative enough for him to move up to 175 or 168, i mean anything that compares to margarito being offered

Wright/Ouma/Rivera/Ishe Smith, reasonable fights that would gain Margarito some noteriety.

Did you edit you original response or did i already respond to this?

Either way you are a huge Margarito hater, especially seeing your excuses for Hopkins.

Those last 4 fighters you mentioned should have made a legit offer to Margarito not the other way around, had they made an offer you would have a right to mention them, but they never did. Winky and his bougus offer, offering Margarito the same money that Arum was offering Margrito ****ing joke of a company Winky has.

And your hyprocracy when it comes to Margarito is ridicules, i didin't know their were so many Hopkins nuthuggers on this board.

re black jesus:
there were plenty fights at 175 that were appealing to hopkins' legacy during his 'reign'. plenty ...

Very true.

[ferocity]

like who?

I mean...who? We know about jones jr, and we both know (or should know) why it didint happen. So who else?

LOL!

Just let it go. Hopkins didn't want to go up in weight cause he wanted to fight the smaller fighters, the samething you and other accouse Margarito of doing. SHame on you.

agree, I can't think of anybody else besides Roy Jones Jr., but why didn't it happen?

I lean towards Bernard knowing he would get beat again...could it be he was waiting for guys like Tito and Oscar to move up for a big money fight, yeah, but Roy still beat him and there is no erasing that.

I guess you are the nuthugger i thought you were, my appoligise - at least for this post you came correct.

And yes, Hopkins was scared he'd get beat. And yes, he was waiting for the smaller fighters so he can get paid.

[Abe Attell]

You are truly nuthugging when it comes to Hopkins.




Did you edit you original response or did i already respond to this?

Either way you are a huge Margarito hater, especially seeing your excuses for Hopkins.

Those last 4 fighters you mentioned should have made a legit offer to Margarito not the other way around, had they made an offer you would have a right to mention them, but they never did. Winky and his bougus offer, offering Margarito the same money that Arum was offering Margrito ****ing joke of a company Winky has.

And your hyprocracy when it comes to Margarito is ridicules, i didin't know their were so many Hopkins nuthuggers on this board.



Very true.

You seem to call everybody a "Nuthugger", great comeback, what are you 4 years old or are you just a **********?...if I was a "Nuthugger" why would I criticize Hopkins for not moving up to fight Roy Jones Jr. ? oh wait, I must be a Roy Jones Jr. "nuthugger" now

Margarito needs Mayweather not the other way around...proof ? Look at how much Mayweather is making and his popularity vs Margarito.

I guess you are the nuthugger i thought you were, my appoligise - at least for this post you came correct

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???
do you mean "not the nuthugger"

[El Jesus]

You're right you shouldn't mention Margarito and Robinson because unlike Margarito, fans respected Ray Robinson, Margarito doesn't get the same respect.

Another fighter that couldn't get a title shot, through a fight in order to get his title shot, that was Jake Lamotta.




Let Spinks fight Santos and Spinks will lose that title to Santos. Spinks can run, so can Santos, but Santos has pop that will stop the running man spinks.

As for your Hopkins response, you should be ashamed of yourself to write your bull****, or for beliving Hopkins bull****. Funny how he gets a free pass by you -nutthugging, showing your colors.



Sing it. "nuthugging is what im doing, say it, nuthugging is what im saying, im black jesus and i'am nuthuggeing. belive it!" the song to your new song.

Guys what? Margarito has good competition, and had good competition. Deffernce is nobody wanted to fight him, untill! Years later after he offered money around to Mayweather and Winky. So don't even compare Hopkins to Margarito, because the difference of the two is that Margarito was/is feared.

Again, tell me why does Margarito have to move to 154? He makes 147 and you claim his division is deep in talent so why should he move up? Hopkins didn't, as mentioned Hopkins sat on his hands and waited for the smaller fighters to move up. Wait, thats not fair, truth be told, Hopkins was willing to go down in weight and face the smaller fighters.

It was years after Hopkins lost that he then moved up to light heavyweight. Maybe when Margarito loses at welterweight then he will move up.

Stop nuthugging on Hopkins ballls, let reality set in, Hopkins became famous/great after beating smaller fighters.



Man, you are just nuthugging...

Tell me what lucrative offer has been offered to Margarito?

Trinidad was favored, it doesn't remove the validicidy that Hopkins was the bigger fighter.

Why light heavyweight, he could have gone to super middleweight and fought Calzaghe, or fought Jones at light heavyweight.

LOOK!

You and your army are always saying how Margarito should move up. Yet, you have given many examples of why Hopkins didn't move up. NOW! Use those excuses you gave about Hopkins and now tranfers them to Margarito.

How is it that giving valid reasons translates into nuthugging? I dont "nuthug" any fighter. I dont pledge allegiance to any fighter, i favor certain fighters over others because their accomplishments that precede themselves. You can try to attach me to "nuthugging" all you want, do you see any flags in my sig? Do you see any actual fighters? No, you see an english permiership football sig/avatar and a name "black jesus", and thats it. for nationalities sake im a puerto rican american if it bothers you that much. When i was young i idolized tito trinidad. But liking fighters doesnt discourage me from telling it like it is on how they fight and what they have accomplished.



I have given due to every fighter who deserves it. Falling in love with any fighter isnt smart because in the end they will always break your heart. Im not blinded by any so called "bias" towards any fighter, and none of my posts show that, if anything the lesson learned in my posts is that Margarito hasnt done much and its true, HE HASNT and hes came up short against Santos, period, there is no way around that.

I will only say that if the fighters at 147 arent fighting him, then he should move up to 154 where there are fighters there for the taking, dont wait around fighting once a year while NOTHING HAPPENS. Thats rediculous.

You obviously dont know much about Ray Robinson, Ray Robinson was hated, he was hated by majority of whites because of his attidue and the way he went about things, most boxing writers/analysts couldnt stand him, Robinson was not the most likable guy and did things his own way, it wouldnt be until years later people would give him his due.

I have given you all the respect in the world even when you clearly dont deserve it, and you just cant have a debate about margarito without crying foul in his favor and thats why your credibility here is so hurt. You may not care, but its noted everytime you post what your going to say and how your going to say it, and you argue a point to death without almost ever admitting your wrong.

[Em1]

I hope Margarito is in the news more in '07 for fighting on TELEVISION than putting out quotes every other day.

[ferocity]

How is it that giving valid reasons translates into nuthugging? I dont "nuthug" any fighter. I dont pledge allegiance to any fighter, i favor certain fighters over others because their accomplishments that precede themselves. You can try to attach me to "nuthugging" all you want, do you see any flags in my sig? Do you see any actual fighters? No, you see an english permiership football sig/avatar and a name "black jesus", and thats it. for nationalities sake im a puerto rican american if it bothers you that much. When i was young i idolized tito trinidad. But liking fighters doesnt discourage me from telling it like it is on how they fight and what they have accomplished.

Margarot and Hopkins share some samalarites, but its the way you make Margarito look bad and Hopkins look good that makes it nuthugging because they share the same road, or identical. Iwatchboxing, will be proud to know that you are puerto rican.

I have given due to every fighter who deserves it. Falling in love with any fighter isnt smart because in the end they will always break your heart. Im not blinded by any so called "bias" towards any fighter, and none of my posts show that, if anything the lesson learned in my posts is that Margarito hasnt done much and its true, HE HASNT and hes came up short against Santos, period, there is no way around that.

(the last sentence) Thats why you can't say anything good about Margarito, because he's in compition with Santos or they were.

I will only say that if the fighters at 147 arent fighting him, then he should move up to 154 where there are fighters there for the taking, dont wait around fighting once a year while NOTHING HAPPENS. Thats rediculous.

It may be a bit ridicules for you, but why not say the samething about Hopkins? Oh, wait, because he beat the smaller fighters moving up, ok.

You obviously dont know much about Ray Robinson, Ray Robinson was hated, he was hated by majority of whites because of his attidue and the way he went about things, most boxing writers/analysts couldnt stand him, Robinson was not the most likable guy and did things his own way, it wouldnt be until years later people would give him his due.

Yet, they made the Pound for Pound rankings just for him, let him own tons of busnisses. And let him win fights instead of throw fights ok. Every fighter is hated at first that doesn't surprise me.

I have given you all the respect in the world even when you clearly dont deserve it, and you just cant have a debate about margarito without crying foul in his favor and thats why your credibility here is so hurt. You may not care, but its noted everytime you post what your going to say and how your going to say it, and you argue a point to death without almost ever admitting your wrong.

Its because I see other fighters that have gone through the same thing Margarito has, yet they get a free pass, but no...not Margarito.

El Chicano, Mexicano putting it down, homes.. I know you didnt' see that response coming.