Toney vs. Valuev

[Cutthroat]

Toney would beat Nikolay, Nikolay's way too slow, Toney will just have to throw body shots through the whole fight. Like gunstar said, it's boxing not who ever lands the hardest punches wins.

[Kid Achilles]

It's boxing, not whoever throws light punches that can't dent a tin can but sure look nice. Catch my drift? Toney hasn't decisively beaten a top big man since Ruiz. A boxing match is not won by skill alone. You need to hurt the opponent with your punches, or at least reach them, which I can't see Toney doing. Valuev is not that slow on his feet, he is actually a decent athlete for a guy that huge and can move behind a jab pretty well.

Valuev will win by a landslide. Not even close. Toney will have a few good moments but they will be few and far between and not enough to win a fight. When you're that old, small, and fat, and not a very mobile guy to begin with, the guy who has a foot of height on you and a hundred pounds as well as a passable level of athleticism, chin, and skill is going to do a number on you.

I apologize if I came off like an ******* with the post but I just can't see how Toney can outbox this Valuev when he was struggling with Peter's size at 6'1". Rahman and Peter scored with their jabs and so will Valuev, except he is smarter than either and will stick to the jab and not fall into Toney's traps. It won't be pretty, but he'll win.

[Welter_Skelter]

I've just read this thread and saw some idiots saying that Toney needs to hurt the Giant to win the fight.

Let me tell you somthing you ******s, this is boxing, not power punching, some of the greatest boxers of all time won most of their fights without hurting the person they were fighting.

The giant will land some punches on Toney, but not much, he doesn't have the power to hurt Toney.

This fight will be easier then the Peter fight who Toney beat pretty easily with being out of shape.

I am not saying he NEEDS to HURT him to win.. I am saying he needs to HIT him to win... Toney is TOO small.. Valuev is too BIG.. case closed.. OH and sorry mate... but Toney did NOT win against Peter .. It was close.. WAY TOO close.. for such an awesome HW... the guy is LONG past his sell by date.. You need to accept it.. AND Toney sure does as well... Toney can talk all he wants.. You can talk all you want.. I am NOT convinced..

[Derranged]

As I said in another thread I am undecided. On the one hand, Toney is so much of a better boxer/technician, has great defense and movement for someone is out of shape and Valuev is slow as **** and inaccurate. Toney does not have to hurt Valuev to win like some of you are saying. But how can Toney overcome Valuev's 15 inch height and 100 lb weight advantage?? I mean yes Toney is good as a heavyweight but that sort of size difference is just unheard of. Im stumped.

[dino]

james toney cant punch..and is too small..he dosent have the style to beat valuev..

[montanadave]

I have to agree----and add that it would be a circus freak show---I mean, just imagine it with the size disparity alone

[monkeyboy]

[QUOTE=Derranged;1838358]and Valuev is slow as **** and inaccurate. QUOTE]

I'm not so sure of that. The inaccurate part that is. Did you watch that 11th round? He caught Barrett cleanly over and over. He's not a crisp puncher but his jab does find the mark quite well.

I agree with Kid Achilles. Jab and hold will drain too much out of the aging, out of condition Toney. Toney is one hell of a boxer but fighting Valuev would be his excuse to come in at 300lbs 'for the extra power'. There's nothing about this match up that bodes well for Toney. It would be a weird fight and a crazy spectacle and that is all.

I find myself warming to Valuev. He's trained hard, maximized his abilities, minimized his shortcomings and takes every fight seriously. Credit for that.
A decent Joe Frazier style swarmer would finish him in six rounds but there aren't any out there right now.

I wish there were a few more talented boxers around who took boxing as seriously as he does.

[.::EnRiQuE::.]

Valuev is big. Valuev can just lean on him for a few rounds and sapp toney's stamina. Tie up and keep a consistant jab out there. could give toney lots of trouble

[Zab Super Judah]

toney by decision