Why Bernard Did Not Make My Top Twenty Middleweights Of All Time.

[TyrantT316]

You always hear writers say "he's not in my top 20, 30, 50"...etc...but they never list their lists...

[neverlast]

01) Harry Greb
02) Sugar Ray Robinson
03) Carlos Monzon
04) Ezzard Charles
05) Marvin Hagler
06) Jake LaMotta
07) Bob Fitzsimmons
08) Charley Burley
09) Gene Fullmer
10) Stanley Ketchel
11) Mickey Walker
12) Emile Griffith
13) Sugar Ray Leonard
14) Roy Jones Jr.
15) Tony Zale
16) **** Tiger
17) Joey Giardello
18) Marcel Cerdan
19) James Toney
20) Mike McCallum

I did not include Bernard Hopkins. Although I have the utmost respect for
Bernard and his long reign, I do not feel that he was strongly tested during
his tenure as champion.Granted this was not his fault and granted he was the
BEST of his time. I honestly feel the 20 I have listed would have beat
Bernard.

[-EX-]

Did RJJ fight most of his fights at light heavyweight? Why did u put him on ur middleweight list?

[neverlast]

Out of my top twenty...Who would Hopkins have beat ?

[Scott122]

01) Harry Greb
02) Sugar Ray Robinson
03) Carlos Monzon
04) Ezzard Charles
05) Marvin Hagler
06) Jake LaMotta
07) Bob Fitzsimmons
08) Charley Burley
09) Gene Fullmer
10) Stanley Ketchel
11) Mickey Walker
12) Emile Griffith
13) Sugar Ray Leonard
14) Roy Jones Jr.
15) Tony Zale
16) **** Tiger
17) Joey Giardello
18) Marcel Cerdan
19) James Toney
20) Mike McCallum

I did not include Bernard Hopkins. Although I have the utmost respect for
Bernard and his long reign, I do not feel that he was strongly tested during
his tenure as champion.Granted this was not his fault and granted he was the
BEST of his time. I honestly feel the 20 I have listed would have beat
Bernard.

YOU ARE ******ED....

[neverlast]

Because he came up through the rankings as a middleweight ( JONES ). He beat Hopkins fair and square. Although he beat Toney at 168 I feel he would have beat him too at 160. This is the same Toney who got by another great, Mike McCallum.

[Scott122]

Out of my top twenty...Who would Hopkins have beat ?

Hm....lets see....maybe about 90% of that list!

[neverlast]

Hey...Who's ******ed ??? You're talking about some of the greatest middleweights of all time. Surar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns would have beat Hopkins. Good God I hate to think what Monzon would have done to him.

[Scott122]

Also, how can you compare Hopkins with others on that bs list? They were fighters of DIFFERENT ERAS....how would you know if some of those fighters would have beat Hopkins if he was born in that same time period? The only thing i would agree with you on is that he lost a fairly CLOSE fight to RJJ and now, if they fought one another, i would give the edge to Hopkins cuz Roy's chin is ***n glass.

[neverlast]

Hey it's IMO just like you have your own. It's no different then could Ali have beaten Joe Louis ? Or could Bob Foster beaten Archie Moore ? We'll never really know.

It's interesting to talk and debate about but there will never be a clear winner. Maybe that makes us both ******ed.