would toney be better at heavyweight at an in shape 200 lbs

[Kid Achilles]

Toney at 200 lbs would be a serious force in this division. I think even at 215 or 220 he is too flabby. Toney at 200, who's chin will be just as good as it is at 235 and his power effectively improved because his speed will dramatically increase, would be a much better heavyweight than the bloated incarnation that shows up to fight and hardly ever wins decisively.

215 is the absolute HIGHEST he should weigh.

[.::|ULTIMATE|::.]

Yes he should be as light and agile as possible. He keeps complaining about the decisions he gets, if he lost some weight hed be able to do his thing much better and leave much less doubt in the eye of the public.

[BloodClot]

then an obese 235

nope hes too little and has absolutely no power at HW!

Guys (even unskilled apes) just plod through his shot to land their own.. Thats why his nuthuggers get so mad when he loses cause they think "effective" shots mean hits on the button. Well they also have to hurt your opponent. He will be done soon. He will either retire or keep getting fatter and older to the point the Brian Mointo's of the division start beating him


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[kayjay]

I don't know man. Tyson early in his career was 210-215 I believe.
Think of how slow and lumbering most heavyweights are. Put a swift swarming Frazier in with any of them and he may not knock them out with one punch but ALL of them would go down on aggregate punching.
Speed generates power and no heavyweights today could cope with a 6' - 6'2 200-210 boxer who was swift and powerful AND skilled.

Wlad is the only HW with a crisp jab. He has barely any footwork though and clinches under pressure.
Toney had a couple of crisp flurries against Peter but he fights defensively and doesn't have the speed or stamina to attack for more than a flurry.
Other than that most heavyweights are thudders and telegraph their punches.

A half-decent Frazier or Ali style fighter would take apart the vast majority of heavyweights today even at 200-210. And even if they lost they'd be FAR more watchable.

It's only a matter of time before a complete fighter in that category appears, but it is not James Toney. Boytsov is in that category, and has the speed and power, but I don't know about the skill and defense.

[paul750]

toney should move down to cruiserweight..i dont think toney could get in shape if he wanted to at this point

If he can't get into shape at heavyweight, how is he supposed to do so at cruiserweight?

Regarding his best weight at heavy, i think the 217lbs he weighed against Holyfield would be a great weight for him, theres no way he'll ever fight at less than that again.

[Tobi.G]

Toney needs a strenght and conditioning coach and a nutrition coach, he needs to loose much fat and put on some muscle and come in at a solid 215-220 pounds! I think the guy who trained Bernard Hopkins for Tarver would be a great man to do it but i forget his name.

[ROSEWOOD]

I don't know man. Tyson early in his career was 210-215 I believe.
Think of how slow and lumbering most heavyweights are. Put a swift swarming Frazier in with any of them and he may not knock them out with one punch but ALL of them would go down on aggregate punching.
Speed generates power and no heavyweights today could cope with a 6' - 6'2 200-210 boxer who was swift and powerful AND skilled.

Wlad is the only HW with a crisp jab. He has barely any footwork though and clinches under pressure.
Toney had a couple of crisp flurries against Peter but he fights defensively and doesn't have the speed or stamina to attack for more than a flurry.
Other than that most heavyweights are thudders and telegraph their punches.

A half-decent Frazier or Ali style fighter would take apart the vast majority of heavyweights today even at 200-210. And even if they lost they'd be FAR more watchable.

there is no question that the smaller Toney is the more efficient he can be..Toney is just simply a great fighter. I would love to see him drop and stay in the 215-225 range....

[KingDosia]

toney should move down to cruiserweight..i dont think toney could get in shape if he wanted to at this point

That was a ******ed idea from the word go, cruiserweight is a no mans land. Toney is a prize fighter. He'd have to go even further down to Lght HVY. And to say he couldn't get in shape if he wanted to is ludicris. NO comment.

[KingDosia]

Toney at 200 lbs would be a serious force in this division. I think even at 215 or 220 he is too flabby. Toney at 200, who's chin will be just as good as it is at 235 and his power effectively improved because his speed will dramatically increase, would be a much better heavyweight than the bloated incarnation that shows up to fight and hardly ever wins decisively.

215 is the absolute HIGHEST he should weigh.

my sediments exactly, I believe he needs to shed the weight and under 215 sounds perfect. I had somebody once post" he needs the extra weight to stay put when he gets hit" still lmao I don't get it Why would you want a fat and underconditioned athlete regardless what the other guy weights. Toney at 235 is a fat bastard, How could that possibly help him. He could use the speed and endurance greatly.

[realheavyhands]

chris bryd fights at around 200 and i think toney is more skilled then bird and hits harder