would toney be better at heavyweight at an in shape 200 lbs

**GunStar** · 09-24-2006, 10:29 PM

I think 215 will be the perfect shape for Toney, 200 is to light, considering some of the heavyweights are over 260.

**realheavyhands** · 09-24-2006, 10:30 PM

215 wouldnt be bad thats about 20 lbs he would be even faster

**Nacho_Analstain** · 09-24-2006, 10:35 PM

15 extra pounds wouldnt make that much of a difference if hes fightin a 260

**dino** · 09-24-2006, 10:39 PM

toney should move down to cruiserweight..i dont think toney could get in shape if he wanted to at this point

**drh** · 09-25-2006, 03:41 AM

toney should be at cruiserweight, anyone as overweight as him should be able to lose 30lbs.

unfortunately he doesn't have a HW punch, and his speed and agility are compromised by his overweight state.

**deuce_drop** · 09-25-2006, 03:49 AM

he would dominate the cruiserweight division if he was a fit 200lbs.

i think 200lbs is too small for any heavyweight now. the guys fighting at heavy are ****ing huge. it seems like the average weight at heavy is 235+lbs.

i think they ought to raise the limit or make a super heavyweight division.

but then again, i can't stand watching heavyweights so i really don't care all that much.

**:Bobby:** · 09-25-2006, 03:51 AM

At his age he really should not lose much weight, no less than 228 lbs. would be good for him, IMO.

**psychopath** · 09-25-2006, 04:12 AM

Originally posted by realheavyhands

then an obese 235

Nah 200 is too light, you take that much weight from the guy he also loses power.

Maybe 220 will be just fine. On this weight he can move faster and yet he'll still be able to absorb punches from the bigger and heavier guys.

**monkeyboy** · 09-25-2006, 05:04 AM

I don't know man. Tyson early in his career was 210-215 I believe.
Think of how slow and lumbering most heavyweights are. Put a swift swarming Frazier in with any of them and he may not knock them out with one punch but ALL of them would go down on aggregate punching.
Speed generates power and no heavyweights today could cope with a 6' - 6'2 200-210 boxer who was swift and powerful AND skilled.

Wlad is the only HW with a crisp jab. He has barely any footwork though and clinches under pressure.
Toney had a couple of crisp flurries against Peter but he fights defensively and doesn't have the speed or stamina to attack for more than a flurry.
Other than that most heavyweights are thudders and telegraph their punches.

A half-decent Frazier or Ali style fighter would take apart the vast majority of heavyweights today even at 200-210. And even if they lost they'd be FAR more watchable.

would toney be better at heavyweight at an in shape 200 lbs