Miranda was robbed

[Pantera2000]

his mouth will heal, and he will fight again - NO DOUBTTTT

Miranda on the other hand, will ALWAYS have that 1 in his loss column, and when he is sleepin with his girl he will think silently "why, why couldnt I stop a guy with a broken jaw and be a champ?? maybe i just dont have it"

HEART of a Champion my friend.
physical wounds heal alot easier than memories of lost battles.

A heart of a champion is not effected when a victory is stolen from you. This will not effect Miranda in the least bit. I am much more upset about this than he is!!!

Also, don't forget. I was at the fight, and in Germany the following day. I can't even begin to tell you how many locals came up to Miranda after the fight and in the streets and all said basically what I am telling you.
Many were embarassed as to what happened and every and last boxing fan said they had never seen anything so dissappointing.


The German people are good people. The promoters are corrupt and own the sport. It is far more than a hometown advantage. Maybe one day Vanes will go to Germany to fight a Sauerland fighter and you can experience first hand. Trust me, if I knew what I know now I would have gotten word to Miranda to stay home. The stories I heard are a small part of the whole picture, I could write a book! And don't forget, if any fight Sauerland was going to pull out their tricks, this is the one they would do everything they could to give Abraham the advantage. Boy did they succeed!

[Zerwas1]

A heart of a champion is not effected when a victory is stolen from you. This will not effect Miranda in the least bit. I am much more upset about this than he is!!!

How do you know this? Are you his girlfriend he is right now ****ing with?
Are you afraid he won't buy you more shoes now?

[Tobi.G]

Even without point deductions i had the fight even!! Common, Miranda NEVER won round 1 and 3, round 2 maybe. It was Abraham who hit Miranda often and hurt him several times, Miranda only could punch low because Abrahams defence was so good. Miranda was verry foolish and landed illegal punshes.
He can be happy that he wasnt disqualified!! Il like both guys a lot but im disapointed about Miranda. he can be happy that Abrahams jaw was ****ed up,
otherwise it would have beed EASY for Abraham. But i think Miranda will get better, his last 2 bouts were verry bid step ups. Over 20 opponents from Miranda were absolute bums and then he fought Eastman and was able to beat him but Abraham was another step up and Miranda was not ready for this yet.

[IwatchBoxing]

Extactly, its just not Germeny, cause you know theres more right here at "home" ...

[bigtime9]

otherwise it would have beed EASY for Abraham. But i think Miranda will get better, his last 2 bouts were verry bid step ups. Over 20 opponents from Miranda were absolute bums and then he fought Eastman and was able to beat him but Abraham was another step up and Miranda was not ready for this yet.

too bad it wasn't easy...the fight was fixed and the ref , judges are all insauderl;and's back pocket...Arhtur got beat up and you can't except that

[bigtime9]

Trust me, if I knew what I know now I would have gotten word to Miranda to stay home. The stories I heard are a small part of the whole picture, I could write a book! And don't forget, if any fight Sauerland was going to pull out their tricks, this is the one they would do everything they could to give Abraham the advantage. Boy did they succeed!

Man don't tell me you haven't heard of how german boxing is. THere was no way Pantera was going to win short of a ko, but as you can see everytime he was about to finish him off the ref interviened and deducted a point to give arthur a break. Total shame boxing, Pantera must dispute this

[FeelTheA-Force]

Honestly, I was really unimpressed. I thought a lot of Miranda's shots were really slopped. He was good in the last three rounds, but he was fighting a guy that really couldn't afford to get hit at all, so that doesn't say much. If Abraham was in with a good fighter, he would have been out of there right after the doctor checked him in rd 5.

miranda broke his jaw in round 4 from punches. the headbutt didnt cause ****. maybe the headbutt burst the interal gathering of blood in his jaw.

[Googler]

Abrahams jaw was broken in round 4 or 5 and Miranda still couldnt finish Abraham w/ a broken jaw in 7-8 rounds. Its as simple as that. I though he had the best power in the middl division. Abrahams hooks are twice as powerful as Mirandas. So enough with the bs. Miranda if he was a true champ shouldve koed Abraham. He couldnt and why? Because Abraham had a lot of heart and fought 7 8 rounds with a broken jaw.

[VanesBoxing]

Abrahams jaw was broken in round 4 or 5 and Miranda still couldnt finish Abraham w/ a broken jaw in 7-8 rounds. Its as simple as that. I though he had the best power in the middl division. Abrahams hooks are twice as powerful as Mirandas. So enough with the bs. Miranda if he was a true champ shouldve koed Abraham. He couldnt and why? Because Abraham had a lot of heart and fought 7 8 rounds with a broken jaw.

Hey Ashot jan,

let me know when you have the DVD for the fight my brother.

[Easy-E]

Abrahams jaw was broken in round 4 or 5 and Miranda still couldnt finish Abraham w/ a broken jaw in 7-8 rounds. Its as simple as that. I though he had the best power in the middl division. Abrahams hooks are twice as powerful as Mirandas. So enough with the bs. Miranda if he was a true champ shouldve koed Abraham. He couldnt and why? Because Abraham had a lot of heart and fought 7 8 rounds with a broken jaw.

Miranda was clearly more powerful, seeing as he broke Abrahams jaw with one punch. True, Abraham showed alot of heart, but if there is a rematch, ill favor Miranda.