Could ray Robinson KO Hagler?

[K-DOGG]

I have the whole of Monzon - Griffiths.

Oh damn! It's official, I'm jealous...seriously.

[hollister]

I don't think that Robinson could land a KO shot on Hagler even though he could have possibly had that much power.

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1. You're the one that kept emphasizing Robinson gettin knocked down....most of which happened late in his career, so I figured I needed to point out the difference for your benefit.

2. I wasn't directing any of the lecture at The Real Ninja becauase I know he knows his stuff...you, on the other hand, I am quite unsure of.

3. Mid-50's equals Robinson fighting at Middleweight and in his early to mid-30's....ergo, he's past his prime fighting weight of 147...nuff said.

4. I was wrong to put "frequently" in quotations, seeing as how you didn't use that particular word. However, the implication was there.

5. Hagler was rocked by Mugabi...have you seen the fight?

6. Monroe shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as LaMotta, to paraphrase your thoughts on LaMotta and Hagler. Also, Hagler didn't fight Monroe 6 times....'course, there was no need to; but that merely points out the obsurdity of your comparison.

7. Calling Hagler "******" is far more arrogant than any pretense I set forth; but for my part, I'll take my arrogance to ignorance any day of the week.

Nice talking with you..

1. thank you, but if i write knock down I mean knock down. you can think or insinuate i meant knock out as much as you like, but the words are there: DOWN not OUT

2. writing to someone "did you know robinson was never stopped?" is incompatible with whose boxing knowledge

3. not far from his prime (which is what I wrote) does not mean in his prime. stop putting in my mouth words i did not say so you can write answers that look good.

4. no the implication was not there. you read it. I am sorry if that's what you understood, but since you keep on twisting my words I doubt this misunderstanding is due to chance.

5. sure i did watch the fight. "rocked" is a big word which does not really fit. "felt mugabi's power and kept coming sounds more like it". ray robinson was rocked by la motta, too. and if you say mugabi rocked hagler then you should in proportion say something like "la motta had robinson out on his feet". before you quote this last sentence as my opinion, read it again in its entirety (IF YOU ..., THEN YOU... got it?) and understand the grammar behind it.


6. no it was not absurd. among other things I never implied hagler fought monroe 6 times (since he beat him convincingly, as severe understatement, there was no need for it).
and yes lamotta was better than monroe, but robinson always struggled with him. so he beat a better foe struggling more to do so: which make sure no useful info comes out of saying lamotta was better than monroe, which makes your answer absurd. by the way did you even see hagler-monroe 1?

7. you will probably have to take arrogance AND lack of reading comprehension (or the malice of pretending to do so)
over ignorance. I will worry about my supposed ignorance. oh wait... it does not exist.

calling hagler "******" is different than calling him ******. so yeah whatever else you want to twist of what i wrote or i am going to write.

[Easy-E]

Hitting power is close, but LaMotta is much physically stronger. We're comparing a guy who walked around at 180-190 and actually fought heavyweights during his career to a guy who just barely beat an over the hill, smaller Duran.

If Hagler was as strong as you make him out to be, he would have dominated the naturally much smaller Duran as Hearns did.

Hagler was a great fighter with one of the greatest chins of all time but his hitting power and strength for a middleweight were merely good, but not overwhelming.

Tell that to Hearns and the beast.

[Rane-Ex54]

First of all La Motta had only 30 KO's, he was a beast but not wasn't as durable or a better puncher then hagler.

Second, I personally think if anyone were to get knocked out (Hagler vs Robinson) its would be SRR. If it went the distance, which it probably would, Robinson would probably slip by with a UD, but honestly Hagler was a master of the middleweights. That was his divison, so it could go either way.

The reason I have hagler KOing SRR robinson is this. I put Antuofermo and Lamotta somewhat the same, as far as fighting styles. Robinson, was knocked down many times by La Motta, while Hagler was never knocked down by Vito Antuofermo, although Vito was ****ing him with tons of shots in both there fights.

Better all time, SRR, better Middleweight Hagler.

[K-DOGG]

1. thank you, but if i write knock down I mean knock down. you can think or insinuate i meant knock out as much as you like, but the words are there: DOWN not OUT

2. writing to someone "did you know robinson was never stopped?" is incompatible with whose boxing knowledge

3. not far from his prime (which is what I wrote) does not mean in his prime. stop putting in my mouth words i did not say so you can write answers that look good.

4. no the implication was not there. you read it. I am sorry if that's what you understood, but since you keep on twisting my words I doubt this misunderstanding is due to chance.

5. sure i did watch the fight. "rocked" is a big word which does not really fit. "felt mugabi's power and kept coming sounds more like it". ray robinson was rocked by la motta, too. and if you say mugabi rocked hagler then you should in proportion say something like "la motta had robinson out on his feet". before you quote this last sentence as my opinion, read it again in its entirety (IF YOU ..., THEN YOU... got it?) and understand the grammar behind it.


6. no it was not absurd. among other things I never implied hagler fought monroe 6 times (since he beat him convincingly, as severe understatement, there was no need for it).
and yes lamotta was better than monroe, but robinson always struggled with him. so he beat a better foe struggling more to do so: which make sure no useful info comes out of saying lamotta was better than monroe, which makes your answer absurd. by the way did you even see hagler-monroe 1?

7. you will probably have to take arrogance AND lack of reading comprehension (or the malice of pretending to do so)
over ignorance. I will worry about my supposed ignorance. oh wait... it does not exist.

calling hagler "******" is different than calling him ******. so yeah whatever else you want to twist of what i wrote or i am going to write.

Sorry, didn't realize I victimized you so maliciously.

Reading comprehension...funny stuff.

[TheEvilSaint]

do YOU think he could? late round KO or TKO

EHN OH.

there's not a man at or below 160 who would EVER EVER EVER have the power to KO marvelous marvin.

[Run]

Uh yeah.

Robinson isin't going to stop Hagler. His best was at Welterweight and Hagler fought at Middle his entire career.

Huge punchers the likes of Hearns couldn't stop him after he unloaded on him.

The wild right hands Hearns landed on Hagler = 12 rounds of punishment from SRR who blew up to Middleweight.



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[SquareCircle]

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if robinson could weather hagler's storm and get him in the late rounds, i could see him getting a ref stoppage.

[Dude]

If the fight takes place under this era's conditions and rules (size of the gloves, time between fights, etc.) there's no way Robinson would be able to KO Hagler.

If they fought for 6 times in a time span of 2 months or so, there is a possibilty. Though I really doubt that any middleweight ever could've dominated a prime Marvin Hagler. So if Robinson had to KO him it would have to be on a lucky punch rather than the accumilition of punishment. And knocking out Hagler with one lucky punch and the follwing flurry ...I don't think it's possible.