Bert Sugar's Top 100 Fighters Of All Time...

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wow. Tyson almost didn't make it.

Obviously sidn't like Tyson personally. He should be ahead of Dempse,y and Marciano should be in Mike's place at 100.Jack Johnson should exchange places with Ali, and Cerdan should be higher. Langford lower. George Foreman definitely lower. Ketchell Ray Leonard, McGovern and Gans should be lower. I see Basilio well up there but no sign of Gene Fullmer, Nino Benvenuti, Duilio Loi, Roy Jones should be much higher. LaMotta is too high.
I can't see why Peter Jackson, John L. and J.J.Corbett are included except from "sentiment'. All the other boxers would dance rings around them and win by large margins, unless a lucky punch got in. Battling Levinsky should have been well up in the middle but not even mentioned.

It's a hell of a job to make a large list. Far, far too many top notchers to even attempt one. I'd suggest taking only the boxers for a period of say, 25 years. at a time.

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Joe Jeanette is on the list but no JT

Who's JT??

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Who the f*** is Lew Jenkins?

A goodish lightweight champion for about a year just before the War. shouldn't be on the list. had a ton of losses..

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Some old guy who goes around with an unlit cigar just like Don King.

And a very smelly, battered old hat, to show his eccentricity. His signatures. Just a gimmick. And I don't think a very good historian.He was around for many years before enyone ever heard of him, and then only when the really top guys died off.

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lightweight beat Lou Ambers

Who's Lou Ambers....I'm only kidding..

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lol he's a hall of fame lightweight champ from 40's or somewhere around that time

Lots of fighters are in the GOF who really should not be there, but for lack of better candidates...made it. Lennox Lewis should, be there somewhere around the 90s.

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BHOF is divided into eras for a reason.
It's almost a different sport from way back when.

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Yeah, pretty easily.

Especially if he has his own special Jedges and referees, not forgetting his IVs and let's not mention his failed tests which were concealed by the Commission. He won't be able to read this so I don't mind mentioning them.

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Wow Leonard at 24 and Hagler at 48, I knew this guy is on crack, how in the hell Lamotta ia ahead of Hagler.

This is one of the crappiest lists I've ever seen.

I certainly agree with you about Hagler. Unlike most present posters, I've SEEN those earlier fighters, or was around and read aboyt their fights as they took place,. Saw ever one of the major Robinson fights, many on Wide World of Sports etc. I am not a tyoung guy, but still a keen fight fan.

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Carlos Monzon is stunningly low. He beat Griffith once, Benvenutti twice and was the middleweight champ for a decade. I have seen him in the top ten on many lists. Bert usually has a good reason for this stuff, I would be curious to see what he writes.

Benvenuti lost twice to Monzonin2 of his last 3, he was an Olympic Gold medalist, had about 124 amateur fights woll all. And he reminds me that Luis Rodriguex should be on the list at Benvenuti's level... Just around Emil Griffith's level both of them, and if he's in the list they should be right there with him..

There should have been TWO lists of 100 each.