Shows Me....

[Bozo_no no]

Because we don't score fights because we're being paid to, but because we're actually watching the fight with intrinsic interest.

How did you have it scored Asian?

[Crazy Dude]

Yeah having fans judge is a great idea.

Maybe we should just have the vote phoned in like its American Idol.

[Mr. Ryan]

How did you have it scored Asian?

8 rounds to 4 for Toney, and in points 116-111 when you factor in the point deduction. What really has been adversely affecting the verdicts that have been reached in recent years is the lack of credit given to defense. Is there no value to eluding punches anymore? The great Willie Pep once won a round simply by slipping shots, throwing a grand total of 0 punches. Boxing is the art of making you miss, and making you pay. Toney did both of those things, whereas Peter clumsily swarmed Toney searching for a hail mary bailout KO. The verdict was a ****ing outrage, but indicative of the trends that modern boxing officiating is taking.

[Bozo_no no]

8 rounds to 4 for Toney, and in points 116-111 when you factor in the point deduction. What really has been adversely affecting the verdicts that have been reached in recent years is the lack of credit given to defense. Is there no value to eluding punches anymore? The great Willie Pep once won a round simply by slipping shots, throwing a grand total of 0 punches. Boxing is the art of making you miss, and making you pay. Toney did both of those things, whereas Peter clumsily swarmed Toney searching for a hail mary bailout KO. The verdict was a ****ing outrage, but indicative of the trends that modern boxing officiating is taking.

We had the same score.

Also, nice observation on the defense aspect. Defense plays a partial role in scoring a round. When Toney was making Peter miss and only partially catch him on top of outlanding him and landing the cleaner cripser shots, I don't think a lot of those rounds were difficult to score.

Seems that almost everywhere 70-80 % of Fans polled have JT winning that fight. When you factor in the rather large buffer of spitefull people and those who have no idea what they're talking about, that's a healthy and wide margin that saw the fight the right way. Too bad it wasn't the two nit wit judges that had it 9-3 for Peter.

[Crazy Dude]

8 rounds to 4 for Toney, and in points 116-111 when you factor in the point deduction. What really has been adversely affecting the verdicts that have been reached in recent years is the lack of credit given to defense. Is there no value to eluding punches anymore? The great Willie Pep once won a round simply by slipping shots, throwing a grand total of 0 punches. Boxing is the art of making you miss, and making you pay. Toney did both of those things, whereas Peter clumsily swarmed Toney searching for a hail mary bailout KO. The verdict was a ****ing outrage, but indicative of the trends that modern boxing officiating is taking.

The only thing that should win rounds is effective punches. Winning a round without throwing a punch is ridiculous.

[Red_Menace]

The only thing that should win rounds is effective punches. Winning a round without throwing a punch is ridiculous.

If you don't want to see defence, go watch wrestling.

[Mr. Ryan]

The only thing that should win rounds is effective punches. Winning a round without throwing a punch is ridiculous.

So if one guy is able to nullify the attack of his opponent, is not as active but lands more punches and at a higher connect percentage, he doesn't deserve to win the fight? Well that's the point I was eluding to with my calling of the fight.

I don't cover fighting, I cover boxing. And in the official judging criteria for the sport of boxing, the four basis' by which to score the fights are clean effective punching, agression, ring generalship, and defense. I saw Toney land the crisper punches, but Peter of course had the bigger thunder, if not consistently. I score fights not on one criteria alone, but in conjunction with all 4 factors in objective order. I like to score everything that occurs, not just the entertaining, showy stuff.

[Red_Menace]

So if one guy is able to nullify the attack of his opponent, is not as active but lands more punches and at a higher connect percentage, he doesn't deserve to win the fight? Well that's the point I was eluding to with my calling of the fight.

I don't cover fighting, I cover boxing. And in the official judging criteria for the sport of boxing, the four basis' by which to score the fights are clean effective punching, agression, ring generalship, and defense. I saw Toney land the crisper punches, but Peter of course had the bigger thunder, if not consistently. I score fights not on one criteria alone, but in conjunction with all 4 factors in objective order. I like to score everything that occurs, not just the entertaining, showy stuff.

People fell in love with Mike Tyson because of the KO. Now you have a whole legion of "fans" that have grown up wanting only one thing, the KO. If what you're doing is not working towards a KO ie defense, then it's not worth scoring, to these people. It's unfortunate, but that's really what it is. People want blood and only blood, not skill. That's why there are so many American heavyweights that don't seem to have any real boxing skills.

[Crazy Dude]

So if one guy is able to nullify the attack of his opponent, is not as active but lands more punches and at a higher connect percentage, he doesn't deserve to win the fight? Well that's the point I was eluding to with my calling of the fight.

I don't cover fighting, I cover boxing. And in the official judging criteria for the sport of boxing, the four basis' by which to score the fights are clean effective punching, agression, ring generalship, and defense. I saw Toney land the crisper punches, but Peter of course had the bigger thunder, if not consistently. I score fights not on one criteria alone, but in conjunction with all 4 factors in objective order. I like to score everything that occurs, not just the entertaining, showy stuff.

I was commenting on your Willie Pep example, not the Toney-Peter fight.

I think effective punches should be the only criteria. Aggression, ring generalship, and defense are important because they set up punches or deny your opponent punches (which only increases your score relatively).