Monzon ducked Hagler!
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some excellent posts here, it seems like whenever I talk about Hagler anywhere else the FIRST thing people bring up is the infamous Leonard fight. It's sad reallyComment
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Originally posted by Slicksouthpawsome excellent posts here, it seems like whenever I talk about Hagler anywhere else the FIRST thing people bring up is the infamous Leonard fight. It's sad really
please don't say the "L" word..it makes me emotional
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special is an understatementOriginally posted by YamanHagler was something special.
the way he took hearns shots and walked right through him
and the way he figured sugar ray leonard out and won the rest of the rounds against him after a bad start
to me shows what a heart he had and what a brilliant boxing brain he hadComment
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Right on. I always liked Hagler, but frankly some people are making him into something he wasn't. He was an excellent technician, with good power, and an iron chin. He was also strong, but he wasn't a monster on the inside. Vito Antuofermo basically had his way with Hagler in their first fight with all of his roughhouse, head first, hold and maul tactics, and Marvin couldn't cope. And Vito was an extremely limited boxer whose skills were nothing compared to Hagler's.Originally posted by Kid AchillesMozon was a better middleweight than Hagler or SRR in my opinion. That guy was just a titan at middleweight. Immensely strong, determined, and durable as well as skilled. Hagler was one of the best conditioned boxers of the modern era, and the hard work he put in at the gym was there for anyone to see in his chiseled torso, but Monzon was much stronger and overall more of a complete package. I mean, the guy was a light heavyweight on stilts who was also a patient and well schooled boxer.
It wasn't until the second half of his career, where he started slowing down, and was forced to walk through fire to get his own shots off, that Hagler became known as Mr. "Destruct and Destroy". His fight with Hearns was a classic, where his chin and conditioning were what carried the day. But I can't say he would beat Monzon, who I really consider to be the best middleweight ever (with the possible exception of Harry Greb, who no one alive today has seen).
(Ed. Ok, Vito didn't have his way with Hagler, but he made it much much tougher than it should have been...)Last edited by GasPed; 08-27-2006, 11:42 AM.Comment
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Right on! Hagler owed his success more to his heart, skill, and intelligence than brute strength. The iron chin didn't hurt him either though.
Guys like Greb, Ketchel, Monzon were much stronger, rougher, and more physical fighters than Hagler. Even Bernard Hopkins I think would have been the stronger man on the inside in a fight between the two. I think people are too easily swayed by physiques.
Tyson was another guy with a deceptive physique. Great explosive puncher and an underrated counter puncher but by no means an exceptionally strong fighter. If he was as strong as he looked, he wouldn't have gotten bulled around and tied up as easily.Comment
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It was only when Hagler was a boxer that he didn't show his real strength i think, in the mugabi fight, Hagler's feet and hands were slower than they once were, his upper body fluidity movement was slower but when he began to slug with mugabi he bullied him around the ring.Comment
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