Re Ranking The Top 15 Heavyweights

[Marchegiano]

agree with this. It’s hard for us to know just how good both wilder and Ortiz are unfortunately due to their fairly thin resumes but we have a level of idea. I think they can prove their levels and hope they both take on decent opponents this year to prove it

Here's the thing about that. Wlad is not considered an ATG for his resume either. He's considered an ATG because he spent a decade on top. How long has Ortiz been a top ten HW?

Sept 11 2011, ranked 8. Feb 27 2021, ranked 3. But him a bum doe.

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Here's the thing about that. Wlad is not considered an ATG for his resume either. He's considered an ATG because he spent a decade on top. How long has Ortiz been a top ten HW?

Sept 11 2011, ranked 8. Feb 27 2021, ranked 3. But him a bum doe.

Wlad defended titles and has all time great power and was an Olympic champion,there’s several differences between the two .

Ortiz is inconsistent and has no title defenses . Klitschko would knock Wilder into next year every time at any time .

I see we’re back to being crazy ? That didn’t take long .

[Marchegiano]

Wlad defended titles and has all time great power and was an Olympic champion,there’s several differences between the two .

Ortiz is inconsistent and has no title defenses . Klitschko wouldn’t knocked Wilder into next year every time at any time .

I see we’re back to being crazy ? That didn’t take long .

Ortiz has fought men at least good enough to keep him in the top tens for a decade. Mookey.

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Ortiz has fought men at least good enough to keep him in the top tens for a decade. Mookey.

Imagine what rankings would look like if they were based on who you fought years ago and didn’t have to win fights just get into title fights ? Wlad Klitschko would still be in the top 3 ? He’s still more impressive then Ortiz and he hasn’t fought in 4 years ?

Defeating Jennings in 2015 gives you a permanent stay as a top fighter ? Well Wlad defeated him first right before Ortiz ,just using your criteria ,Wlad beat enough guys in over a decade ,hell let’s just leave him ranked in retirement ?

Mookey ? You have to be the most illogical poster on the forum . I don’t think you ever seen Ortiz resume to post the craziness you continue on here , I’m starting to believe you just wake up at times and post randomly on here so can you give me 3 wins of his to justify he’s a must top guy in the current year and for a decade ?

[Boxing Goat]

Wlad defended titles and has all time great power and was an Olympic champion,there’s several differences between the two .

Ortiz is inconsistent and has no title defenses . Klitschko wouldn’t knocked Wilder into next year every time at any time .

I see we’re back to being crazy ? That didn’t take long .

Would, or wouldn't? I think prime Wlad would own any version of Wilder

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Would, or wouldn't? I think prime Wlad would own any version of Wilder

Would , was supposed to be would’ve, ****** spell checks . Klitschko is levels over Wilder . That poster once said Ortiz is better then Wlad as a boxer ,he said the most zaniest things on here . It’s one thing not proving a terrible list ,it’s another not knowing what your talking about completely. He said Ortiz could be in the top 10 for a decade based on who he’s fought as well, not even you can be on board with that because I’ll just rank Wlad to . Ha

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Joyce is older and slower. DD was in the lead, what does that tell you? Usykis even better boxer. Bigger men like Chisora did nada vs Usyk, who IMO would out box Joyce.

I think fans underestimate Usyk. He's really not that small. Guy is 6'3" tall with a 78" reach, fine for today. Plus he is a skill southpaw with a good chin.

After the top 5, no one really belongs so I went with good looking un-defeated prospect's like Vykhurst, Ajagba , Mahkmudov and Yoka to fit out spots in the top 15.

These guys are big men, who can move and hit. Very few in the top 15 have a win over each other or vs. a top10 level opponent. IMO Olympic Gold or a European Amateur champion ( Vykhurst ) means something. On Vykhurst he's an unusually skilled guy, as he counters very well for a heavyweight. I put him 15th and Makmudov, Yoka, and Ajagba #12-14th,

DDD in the lead tells me Joyce is as advertised , he was able to stay in there and took shots that would’ve knocked out 90% of the current boxers . Just because he was in the lead doesn’t tell Joyce wouldn’t have jumped on him anyway late . He took control of the fight and maybe some guys get the lead on him but can they keep him off ? Most posters knew Joyce would be outboxed ,even Joyce said he would have to lose the first rounds and take power punches .

Usyk is going to have a hard time and has to box non stop giving up size with a huge 260 pounder this time . I’m still going Joyce UD and he puts enough pressure to swing the extra round or two to win .


I actually would include Fa to based on a fight against Parker he coasted in and lost because of it . Zhang Zheli is better then I thought to ,I think better preparation could see him in very exciting fights so he’s in the mix to . People concentrate on looking bad but he had the fight won practically in round one ,

I don’t know why posters think that the draw defines Zhang ,he’s only going to be harder next time and learn to close the show if he has you hurt . That was Zhang first real fight as a pro so that’s what I graded him on , Forrest isn’t an easy guy to put away ,he could have done it quickly and showed sharp short power punches , people can concentrate on his stamina but it doesn’t mean much here .

Fa , Zhang had spotlight fights , I think they aren’t prospects with the amount of fights they had with good am backgrounds, I’ll wait in Vykhurst when he gets a step up fight .

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Would , was supposed to be would’ve, ****** spell checks . Klitschko is levels over Wilder . That poster once said Ortiz is better then Wlad as a boxer ,he said the most zaniest things on here . It’s one thing not proving a terrible list ,it’s another not knowing what your talking about completely. He said Ortiz could be in the top 10 for a decade based on who he’s fought as well, not even you can be on board with that because I’ll just rank Wlad to . Ha

I have to agree with this one

Wlad is an ATG with one of the best title fight records in history over all classes. Not to mention, he was an awesome role model and ambassador for the sport. A total class act.

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I have to agree with this one

Wlad is an ATG with one of the best title fight records in history over all classes. Not to mention, he was an awesome role model and ambassador for the sport. A total class act.

Wlad Klitschko never got a marketing push as the hardest hitter ever because of the way he fought . The new fans will remember Wilder because that was being pushed ,the truth is Wlad Klitschko brought a different type of power but it’s over shadowed because of his boxing abilities and some unnecessary losses . If Wlad went in to take your head off with the same guys Wilder fought ,imagine that and the marketing machine behind that ?

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-wil...r-ever--146843

[Boxing Goat]

Wlad Klitschko never got a marketing push as the hardest hitter ever because of the way he fought . The new fans will remember Wilder because that was being pushed ,the truth is Wlad Klitschko brought a different type of power but it’s over shadowed because of his boxing abilities and some unnecessary losses . If Wlad went in to take your head off with the same guys Wilder fought ,imagine that and the marketing machine behind that ?

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-wil...r-ever--146843

I think younger Wlad had as close to equal one punch power as Wilder or any other heavyweight in history. I think he proved that with rendering guys completely unconscious numerous times