Comments Thread For: David Avanesyan Drops Josh Kelly Twice, Stops Him in Sixth

[Rustyman]

What people do not understand about Hearn is that he will support fighters on their way up but by their 12-15th fight, he expects them to have a British title and fringe world level.

He then puts them in fights to prove that. If they win, they move forward and get a contract which values them at that fringe world level until they either get to world level or drop down. A new contract is then negotiated reflective of the fighter's commercial value.

Lots of fighters put up empty records at 20-0 and then expect to be paid like a world level fighter (here's looking at your PBC fighters). Hearn is not like that. He will overpay relative to other promoters but he has less patience than others. That's why other than Joshua, Hearn does not have a single multi-year or 5+ fight contract with any fighter.

With Hearn, he will pay you more than other promoters but the fighter better live up to/demonstrate the commercial value, to justify that contract. Hearn and his dad are accountants, they know the value of a dollar.

Your see Bob with the 2/3/4 year contracts with fighters which he then struggles with when the fighters outgrow that contract or PBC with the "lifetime" contracts contingent on the mighty "upside" for a fighter to get paid. Hearn gives more financial reward but for a shorter period and the fighter better hold up his side of the bargain i.e. that the fighter generates enough money for Matchroom to make a profit.

[Kezzer]

A lot of criticism here which is just ridiculous when you really sit back and think about it. Would you prefer the likes of Kelly stay in a bubble fighting easy wins similar to wilder progression for 3-4 more years? Obviously that is an option. Or would you prefer proper 50/50 fights like this, which realistically Kelly was doing well at the start and arguably 3-0 up after 3 rounds. He certainly wasn’t out of his depth despite all the after-timers claims on here.

[DClefthook]

What people do not understand about Hearn is that he will support fighters on their way up but by their 12-15th fight, he expects them to have a British title and fringe world level.

He then puts them in fights to prove that. If they win, they move forward and get a contract which values them at that fringe world level until they either get to world level or drop down. A new contract is then negotiated reflective of the fighter's commercial value.

Lots of fighters put up empty records at 20-0 and then expect to be paid like a world level fighter (here's looking at your PBC fighters). Hearn is not like that. He will overpay relative to other promoters but he has less patience than others. That's why other than Joshua, Hearn does not have a single multi-year or 5+ fight contract with any fighter.

With Hearn, he will pay you more than other promoters but the fighter better live up to/demonstrate the commercial value, to justify that contract. Hearn and his dad are accountants, they know the value of a dollar.

Your see Bob with the 2/3/4 year contracts with fighters which he then struggles with when the fighters outgrow that contract or PBC with the "lifetime" contracts contingent on the mighty "upside" for a fighter to get paid. Hearn gives more financial reward but for a shorter period and the fighter better hold up his side of the bargain i.e. that the fighter generates enough money for Matchroom to make a profit.

75% of your post makes sense but your disdain for PBC (Hate that a black guy has soooo much power) shines through. PBC with their "lifetime contracts" .... dumbazz they have no contracts!

[Ray*]

Yeah, this humiliation for England is somehow PBC's fault. Let's say negative stuff about them.

Don’t get your panties in a twist. We are discussing boxing here, go wave your PBC Pom Pom somewhere else.

[Ray*]

What people do not understand about Hearn is that he will support fighters on their way up but by their 12-15th fight, he expects them to have a British title and fringe world level.

He then puts them in fights to prove that. If they win, they move forward and get a contract which values them at that fringe world level until they either get to world level or drop down. A new contract is then negotiated reflective of the fighter's commercial value.

Lots of fighters put up empty records at 20-0 and then expect to be paid like a world level fighter (here's looking at your PBC fighters). Hearn is not like that. He will overpay relative to other promoters but he has less patience than others. That's why other than Joshua, Hearn does not have a single multi-year or 5+ fight contract with any fighter.

With Hearn, he will pay you more than other promoters but the fighter better live up to/demonstrate the commercial value, to justify that contract. Hearn and his dad are accountants, they know the value of a dollar.

Your see Bob with the 2/3/4 year contracts with fighters which he then struggles with when the fighters outgrow that contract or PBC with the "lifetime" contracts contingent on the mighty "upside" for a fighter to get paid. Hearn gives more financial reward but for a shorter period and the fighter better hold up his side of the bargain i.e. that the fighter generates enough money for Matchroom to make a profit.

Thank you for putting this in an elegant way. These guys are more into promoters who line up bums for their boxers, push them to 30-0 and scream that they are superstars.

You go with Hearn you would have to take tougher fights, I have already give examples and these guys would cry and someone hating on PBC.

Fact is if Josh Kelly was a PBC fighter, he wouldn’t step anything up until he was 30-0, they would use their mouths to talk him up, he would be fighting lightweights at welterweights and calling himself the A-side, these posters know it’s the truth so they attack you for pointing these little things out... (Stop/tell me when am lying).

They are sooo wrapped up in undefeated records, it’s sink or swim and you can’t, shouldn’t be fighting bum for too long, Kelly got his backside handed to him with less than 15 fights. If you are not good enough then you not. Still prefer this to him just fighting bums and selling us for a fool like some of these American boxers.

[Ray*]

Is it evil that I appreciate that about Hearn?

Normally, a loss encourages fighters to make necessary changes. I think Kelly should go after the British title, start from the ground up. He didn't look good against Robinson or Avanesyan. He's simply not ready for world-level like he thinks.

Honestly I always laugh when I see these “Hearn probably crying” right now posts. He probably had a bet on his fighters to lose, moreover their opponents are mostly signed with him beforehand, so it’s a win win for him.

He did that with Lara last week, and this week with David Ava. Do you know how many times this fight was put off? Like Adam booth wanted to give Kelly as much time as possible, but Hearn kept saying it’s sink or swim with Kelly for this fight. Like he had a bet against him.

Kelly definitely needs to go back the British route, he doesn’t have the will for now at this level.

[boxingitis]

I don't know when this run of dismal results for UK fighters is going to end, it's like someone's put a curse on the whole country

They are weak, thats it. Just like most of the world. U only see American, Mexican, Russian and japanese tought boxers. Rare occasion from other countries.

[boxingitis]

Who's gonna beat him?

Jose Ramirez

[Cobratu]

Yeah, this humiliation for England is somehow PBC's fault. Let's say negative stuff about them.

It’s true tho pbc guys fight 35 bums in a row before stepping up to C lever comp

[Armchairhero]

Ramirez is the best 140lber he will expose Taylor next

How can you expose anyone who came out on top of the WBSS, are you missing a chromosome?