If Canelo Struggles With BJS What Does It Mean To You?

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  • MPDKSAB
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    If Canelo Struggles With BJS What Does It Mean To You?

    My thoughts on this fight is I expect a clear win for Canelo but there's people who believe BJS is the most skilled fighter Canelo can face & he can or will win.

    Styles make fights & I just don't see it. BJS has finally been rewarded for repeatedly ducking top competition. I don't understand how the people that have belief in him continue to after everything he's done.

    Don't fight the guy that's being protected fight the guy hes being protected from & that goes for both. If Canelo struggles like I don't expect him to, against a style that draws some similarities to what he hasn't faced since Lara in BJS, I think it would be very, very telling.

    So what would it mean to you?
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    for starters I personally wouldn’t expect Canelo to have to go in there and chase someone around for 12 rounds. If it turns out like that then it’ll show me that BJs just wants a check. He’s gonna have to be willing to engage if he wants to pull off a win.

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      But I've been saying forever this is a good gauge to see how or if Canelo has actually improved at cutting off the ring and pressure fighting since Lara and Floyd. GGG, Smith, Smith, Kovalev, these guys all suck at fighting off of the back foot so I'm not impressed that you walk all them down. That means nothing to me. Jacobs? He's a little better at fighting off the back foot. Impressive win. But Jacobs isn't as good off the back foot/as hard to hit as BJS, certainly nowhere near as good as Floyd or Lara.

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      • nubianpiye
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        Canelo struggles with master boxers but has beaten all bar one princess that he’s an elite fighter who can beat those even with the wrong style for him

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          Originally posted by MPDKSAB
          My thoughts on this fight is I expect a clear win for Canelo but there's people who believe BJS is the most skilled fighter Canelo can face & he can or will win.

          Styles make fights & I just don't see it. BJS has finally been rewarded for repeatedly ducking top competition. I don't understand how the people that have belief in him continue to after everything he's done.

          Don't fight the guy that's being protected fight the guy hes being protected from & that goes for both. If Canelo struggles like I don't expect him to, against a style that draws some similarities to what he hasn't faced since Lara in BJS, I think it would be very, very telling.

          So what would it mean to you?
          If Canelo were to struggle with Billy Joe Saunders then that would mean he has a clear achilles heel when it comes to movers.

          I would then expect Canelo to reconsider his position on fighting at 175 because those guys are generally bigger and slower.

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            I don't think BJS moves any better than Jacobs really. So I don't think movement will be an issue. BJS is lefty, awkward, tough, smart. That is a hard style to duplicate. If Canelo struggles vs BJS, it just means BJS fights to the level of his opponent and can beat anyone.

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              It’s means both fighters are very special.

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                Originally posted by JohnCastellanos
                for starters I personally wouldn’t expect Canelo to have to go in there and chase someone around for 12 rounds. If it turns out like that then it’ll show me that BJs just wants a check. He’s gonna have to be willing to engage if he wants to pull off a win.
                This is heavily exaggerated in boxing especially in regards to elite fighters. Highly unlikely he runs around the ring or just moves like Loma Teo for the 1st 6 or so rounds.
                Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo
                But I've been saying forever this is a good gauge to see how or if Canelo has actually improved at cutting off the ring and pressure fighting since Lara and Floyd. GGG, Smith, Smith, Kovalev, these guys all suck at fighting off of the back foot so I'm not impressed that you walk all them down. That means nothing to me. Jacobs? He's a little better at fighting off the back foot. Impressive win. But Jacobs isn't as good off the back foot/as hard to hit as BJS, certainly nowhere near as good as Floyd or Lara.
                I think GGG obviously isn't the mover on the back foot like the elite ones but he fought better off the back foot in the 2nd fight than it appears you're giving him credit for. Shìt he beat Canelo on my cards while Jacob's lost, but I'm getting away from the point.. Overall I think it's a DECENT gauge. I think Lara is better at what he does than what BJS does. Obviously I think Andrade is better than both period, he's the only slick black fighter Canelo can fight since Floyd, so Canelo's fighting a watered down protection plan version of that. Floyd's in a league of his own. But in terms of threat it goes Floyd, Andrade, Lara, BJS for me. There's a gap that may be omitted against the level of fighter/mover BJS is vs what he'll be used as a guage point as. I see what Canelo's doing, he's very strategic.
                Originally posted by nubianpiye
                Canelo struggles with master boxers but has beaten all bar one princess that he’s an elite fighter who can beat those even with the wrong style for him
                I'm not 100% sure what you're saying but I'm not sure Lara is a "master boxer."
                Originally posted by whollisboxing
                If Canelo were to struggle with Billy Joe Saunders then that would mean he has a clear achilles heel when it comes to movers.

                I would then expect Canelo to reconsider his position on fighting at 175 because those guys are generally bigger and slower.
                I don't see him trading skillfully difficult for physically dangerous.

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                  Originally posted by MPDKSAB
                  I think GGG obviously isn't the mover on the back foot like the elite ones but he fought better off the back foot in the 2nd fight than it appears you're giving him credit for. Shìt he beat Canelo on my cards while Jacob's lost, but I'm getting away from the point.. Overall I think it's a DECENT gauge. I think Lara is better at what he does than what BJS does. Obviously I think Andrade is better than both period, he's the only slick black fighter Canelo can fight since Floyd, so Canelo's fighting a watered down protection plan version of that. Floyd's in a league of his own. But in terms of threat it goes Floyd, Andrade, Lara, BJS for me. There's a gap that may be omitted against the level of fighter/mover BJS is vs what he'll be used as a guage point as. I see what Canelo's doing, he's very strategic.

                  I'm not 100% sure what you're saying but I'm not sure Lara is a "master boxer."

                  I don't see him trading skillfully difficult for physically dangerous.
                  Fair game. GGG does have an elite jab which is why he didn't do so bad fighting off the back foot, just not a mover like you said. He held him off with the jab pretty well and I thought he won. But it's just difference since GGG doesn't move his feet and head like those guys. It's still kind of a protection job on canelo's handlers parts, he'll go nowhere near Andrade.

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                  • MPDKSAB
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                    Originally posted by Boxing-1013
                    I don't think BJS moves any better than Jacobs really. So I don't think movement will be an issue. BJS is lefty, awkward, tough, smart. That is a hard style to duplicate. If Canelo struggles vs BJS, it just means BJS fights to the level of his opponent and can beat anyone.
                    I think BJS boxes better off the back foot.

                    Not necessarily, it could just mean Canelo has problems with that style. I think BJS is the weakest champ at 168 & Plant, Andrade, & Benavidez all beat him decisively. None of whom fight like Canelo.
                    Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr
                    It’s means both fighters are very special.
                    Not necessarily. Hard for me to say Canelo is special with all the help he's received in his career. & with how BJS talked about Canelo's PED test then testing positive himself, there's no doubt in my mind if not both, BJS definitely will be juicing for this fight.
                    Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo
                    Fair game. GGG does have an elite jab which is why he didn't do so bad fighting off the back foot, just not a mover like you said. He held him off with the jab pretty well and I thought he won. But it's just difference since GGG doesn't move his feet and head like those guys. It's still kind of a protection job on canelo's handlers parts, he'll go nowhere near Andrade.
                    Respect.

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