Comments Thread For: Wilder Confused Why Breland Clapped Back At Accusations: "Where's All This Coming From?"

[Squared.Circle]

Initially, yes. The July 19 fight was cancelled because of a Wilder injury. But then it was:

Arum:
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...-bob-arum-says

ESPN:
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...ew-date-sought

Fury:
https://www.badlefthook.com/2020/10/...-december-2020



Because he didn't. In the first fight, he was plastered on the canvas and Jack Reiss saved him from being declared dead. In the second fight, Fury used manipulative horsehair gloves to gain an unfair advantage. Which won't be allowed in the third fight.



That's why there was mediation and now arbitration. If Wilder wins, Fury is bound to the contract he signed. And then he'll have a choice: either fight 'easy'Wilder, pay Wilder substantially and essentially work for Wilder in his next fight. Or retire. I'm predicting option 3.



Twisted logic is not our thing.



Not yet. Arbitration can last for 6 months.



That's what Joshua said when he refused to fight Wilder for undisputed in 2018. After that, he survived a Povetkin scare, got knocked down 4 times by a shorter fatter man, then AVOIDED fighting an even fatter version of him in a forgettable rematch.

So...yes, Ducktay Whiner cancelled two dates; July and October.

Fury was up, unaided, with two points of contact (his feet) on the canvas before the referee's count of ten. Not only did he demonstrate he was able to continue by following the referee's commands, he went on to dominate the rest of the round. The vast majority of spectators, boxing analysts, former/current professional boxers and even Breland agreed...Fury won the fight handily. The small minority that disagree are Ducktay Whiner's deluded fans. Even Wilder and his buddies knew he lost, hence why they celebrated when a draw was announced So no. Try again.

His gloves were cleared by the athletic commission before the fight, and, more importantly, after the fight. No anomalies found (neither manipulated padding nor magical egg weights). So no. Try again.

Regardless of Ducktay Whiner's attempts to stop AJ vs. Fury, it's happening next, and a rematch. No American court can stop any boxer from fighting in the Middle East or the UK. But, that's irrelevant. Because it'll go in Fury's favour. You Wildette's seem to think the expiration of the contract will be ignored due to the coronavirus, but there were two scheduled dates, ready to go. Venues ready and willing. Unhindered by coronavirus. So no. Try again.

I'll concede on the last point. But Ducktay Whiner being frozen out is still a slap of karma in the face. They've turned down several career high offers, refused to speak to Hearn about a potential 50/50 split, turned down the DAZN offer because "they wouldn't tell us what AJ would earn". All to try and cash in on AJ's name. And where's that got him? Standing on the sidelines making himself look more ****** with every comment he makes.

There's rumblings on the internet that Ducktay Whiner, a guy who without Fury can't get a PPV fight or fill a 20,000 seat arena, has been asking for $10m to fight Charles Martin

Stay tuned for Wilder vs. Stiverne 3 & 4 while AJ and Fury get down to business.

[Squared.Circle]

Regarding the way they've matched him throughout his career, your acting like he's the only heavyweight in history to ever be matched this way lol yet, no other heavyweight IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING, has knocked out every opponent he's ever beaten.

Because all these other heavyweight champions have been evenly matched against genuine opponents.

Wilder has Very, very lil skills as a boxer, yet has accomplished so much. No boxer ever will be so outmatched, skills wise, and yet be so successful with only one weapon. The fact that he was able to do so much with so lil is truly amazing, and kinda inspiring to be honest.

But that's my point, Wilder is shyt, so were his opponents. He hasn't been outmatched except against maybe four or five opponents. And I don't think his "successes" have had so much to do with his power, it's more so his height advantage.

People make out like he's some phenomenal puncher, but I find his power overrated. A lot of his stoppages begin with a punch behind the ear (technically illegal shots, but when they're clearly not intentional and mostly the opponents fault, it's acceptable) which everybody knows will discombobulate any fighter. A lot, like in Harrison's case, come from wild hayemakers that are actually palm shots and just bundle the opponent to the ground. Nearly all of his stoppages are against shorter guys; punching down always has more effect. The vast majority of his stoppages come by way of the referee. And he rarely cleans guys out with one punch. When you add all that to the fact that beyond his 15th fight, nearly all his opponents looked like they were fighting scared and were afraid of his power, it doesn't seem that impressive.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's a light puncher. He's a tall heavyweight with fast hands and long levers. He's got serious power. But is he really the devastating puncher that people claim he is? I think not. It's not like he puts people to sleep every time he touches them.

I truly believe that in 25 years, the names from this generation that will be mentioned will be AJ and Fury, with a side mention of "oh yea but there was also that American guy that had a lot of knockouts".

[DanMan_UK]

Regarding the way they've matched him throughout his career, your acting like he's the only heavyweight in history to ever be matched this way lol yet, no other heavyweight IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING, has knocked out every opponent he's ever beaten.

N'Valaye Sesay has

[theface07]

I've always appreciated Wilder, but the man sounds crazier
than Marjorie Taylor Green.

Bahahaha!
You mean you haven't seen the ***ish lasers from space??

[Sid-Knee]

Of course he's got some mental issues. He needs serious help. But his accomplishments and achievements shouldn't be overlooked all because he doesn't know how to take an L.

I'm sorry, but he doesn't even have any accomplishments. Not once has he beaten a single good world class fighter. There's a reason for that. He's not good enough.

They tried to continue the scam with getting Fury at the time they did. They knew exactly what they were doing. It just backfired on them. Good.

[davefromvancouv]

So...yes, Ducktay Whiner cancelled two dates; July and October.

Fury was up, unaided, with two points of contact (his feet) on the canvas before the referee's count of ten. Not only did he demonstrate he was able to continue by following the referee's commands, he went on to dominate the rest of the round. The vast majority of spectators, boxing analysts, former/current professional boxers and even Breland agreed...Fury won the fight handily. The small minority that disagree are Ducktay Whiner's deluded fans. Even Wilder and his buddies knew he lost, hence why they celebrated when a draw was announced So no. Try again.

His gloves were cleared by the athletic commission before the fight, and, more importantly, after the fight. No anomalies found (neither manipulated padding nor magical egg weights). So no. Try again.

Regardless of Ducktay Whiner's attempts to stop AJ vs. Fury, it's happening next, and a rematch. No American court can stop any boxer from fighting in the Middle East or the UK. But, that's irrelevant. Because it'll go in Fury's favour. You Wildette's seem to think the expiration of the contract will be ignored due to the coronavirus, but there were two scheduled dates, ready to go. Venues ready and willing. Unhindered by coronavirus. So no. Try again.

I'll concede on the last point. But Ducktay Whiner being frozen out is still a slap of karma in the face. They've turned down several career high offers, refused to speak to Hearn about a potential 50/50 split, turned down the DAZN offer because "they wouldn't tell us what AJ would earn". All to try and cash in on AJ's name. And where's that got him? Standing on the sidelines making himself look more ****** with every comment he makes.

There's rumblings on the internet that Ducktay Whiner, a guy who without Fury can't get a PPV fight or fill a 20,000 seat arena, has been asking for $10m to fight Charles Martin

Stay tuned for Wilder vs. Stiverne 3 & 4 while AJ and Fury get down to business.

The only date Deontay Wilder wasn't available for was July 18th. Every other time, the dates were moved by Arum (pandemic), ESPN (football conflict) and Fury (wanted different opponent).

Wilder was not in control of the dates because Fury was declared the official winner in the second fight, so Fury's side was in charge of deciding when and where the third fight would be.

Now, Fury is claiming that the contract has expired. Wilder had to force mediation talks to prevent Fury from reneging on the rematch clause. They are now in arbitration, which could last 6 months. Which is why Hearn is now saying June, stringing you along...

If Wilder wins arbitration, Fury will be contractually bound to fight Wilder. Rahman tried to do the same thing with Lennox Lewis back in the day...

[Squared.Circle]

The only date Deontay Wilder wasn't available for was July 18th. Every other time, the dates were moved by Arum (pandemic), ESPN (football conflict) and Fury (wanted different opponent).

Wilder was not in control of the dates because Fury was declared the official winner in the second fight, so Fury's side was in charge of deciding when and where the third fight would be.

Now, Fury is claiming that the contract has expired. Wilder had to force mediation talks to prevent Fury from reneging on the rematch clause. They are now in arbitration, which could last 6 months. Which is why Hearn is now saying June, stringing you along...

If Wilder wins arbitration, Fury will be contractually bound to fight Wilder. Rahman tried to do the same thing with Lennox Lewis back in the day...

From what I've read, July and October were both postponed due to the bicep injury; Whiner was in no position to compete in July and would unlikely be ready for October; and the December date by ESPN due to American football. Both of which are excluded from the exceptions clause, with injuries being specifically mentioned.

Fury wasn't "in control" of the dates, either. They have to negotiate. I know that's an avoided word for Ducktay Whiner fans, but that's how contracts are formed.

The contract legally expired in October, that's not up for debate. What is up for debate is whether or not exceptions can be made for an extension due to the coronavirus, which, considering boxing events have been taking place in the States since June, is a no.

What other potential date is Hearn supposed to give? March? April? AJ typically fights every six months, his last fight was in December, so....

If Whiner wins the arbitration (he really won't), then Fury will be contractually bound...in the US, nowhere else. What do you really think is gonna happen? CIA fly into the Middle East and stop Fury fighting due to contractual obligations?

The WBC has no dog in that race either, so they won't strip Fury. And, ya know, We Be Crooks would rather have some of that mega money from AJ vs. Fury than the comparable peanuts from Ducktay Whiner being embarrassed by Fury for a third time.

AJ vs. Fury is happening, whether the small minority like it or not

[davefromvancouv]

From what I've read, July and October were both postponed due to the bicep injury; Whiner was in no position to compete in July and would unlikely be ready for October; and the December date by ESPN due to American football. Both of which are excluded from the exceptions clause, with injuries being specifically mentioned.

Fury wasn't "in control" of the dates, either. They have to negotiate. I know that's an avoided word for Ducktay Whiner fans, but that's how contracts are formed.

The contract legally expired in October, that's not up for debate. What is up for debate is whether or not exceptions can be made for an extension due to the coronavirus, which, considering boxing events have been taking place in the States since June, is a no.

What other potential date is Hearn supposed to give? March? April? AJ typically fights every six months, his last fight was in December, so....

If Whiner wins the arbitration (he really won't), then Fury will be contractually bound...in the US, nowhere else. What do you really think is gonna happen? CIA fly into the Middle East and stop Fury fighting due to contractual obligations?

The WBC has no dog in that race either, so they won't strip Fury. And, ya know, We Be Crooks would rather have some of that mega money from AJ vs. Fury than the comparable peanuts from Ducktay Whiner being embarrassed by Fury for a third time.

AJ vs. Fury is happening, whether the small minority like it or not

This has nothing to do with me, you or the WBC. This is up to the judge in the Wilder-Fury arbitration case.

I believe Fury will fight Joshua after Wilder knocks him out in the third fight and knocks Joshua out in both their first fight and the rematch.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Joshua-Fury will still be a compelling fight, and the best thing about this scenario is that the UK fans will get to see the fight IN PERSON in the UK, where it belongs.

But it's up to Fury. If Wilder wins arbitration, I believe he'll go on a temporary hiatus rather than pay Wilder and fight someone else, essentially be Wilder's work boy.

We'll find out in 6 months...

[Squared.Circle]

This has nothing to do with me, you or the WBC. This is up to the judge in the Wilder-Fury arbitration case.

I believe Fury will fight Joshua after Wilder knocks him out in the third fight and knocks Joshua out in both their first fight and the rematch.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Joshua-Fury will still be a compelling fight, and the best thing about this scenario is that the UK fans will get to see the fight IN PERSON in the UK, where it belongs.

But it's up to Fury. If Wilder wins arbitration, I believe he'll go on a temporary hiatus rather than pay Wilder and fight someone else, essentially be Wilder's work boy.

We'll find out in 6 months...

And that judge can't enforce his ruling in another country. Top Rank won't be liable for Fury's decision. Fury doesn't have assets in the US so he'll face no monetary repercussions. My opinion of Fury winning the arbitration is exactly that, just an opinion, so I'll happily say I could be wrong. But AJ vs. Fury happening next is a fact, for the aforementioned reasons.

He's beat the guy twice, and the guy has attempted to destroy Fury's (granted, already slightly tarnished) reputation. I genuinely can't blame the guy for not giving Whiner the opportunity to regain some of the dignity he's lost. And I certainly wouldn't consider it a duck.

We'll find out in a few weeks when the AJ vs. Fury fight is announced

[davefromvancouv]

And that judge can't enforce his ruling in another country. Top Rank won't be liable for Fury's decision. Fury doesn't have assets in the US so he'll face no monetary repercussions. My opinion of Fury winning the arbitration is exactly that, just an opinion, so I'll happily say I could be wrong. But AJ vs. Fury happening next is a fact, for the aforementioned reasons.

He's beat the guy twice, and the guy has attempted to destroy Fury's (granted, already slightly tarnished) reputation. I genuinely can't blame the guy for not giving Whiner the opportunity to regain some of the dignity he's lost. And I certainly wouldn't consider it a duck.

We'll find out in a few weeks when the AJ vs. Fury fight is announced

The judge doesn't have to do anything differently. Unless you reside in Russia or China, copyright laws can be enforced and lawsuits adjudicated between citizens from different countries.

We're talking about a US citizen and UK citizen.

The arbitration case will decide Fury's next move. We have to wait for the judge to decide whether the contract is still valid and Wilder deserves a Fury rematch.

If so, we get Fury-Wilder 3. Or Fury works for Wilder in his next fight. Or Fury retires. Again. To avoid a rematch after a controversial win.