Bandman: Your Pac vs. Wilder thread is lacking.

[Combat Talk Radio]

What in the blue hell was that? NO DATA to back up anything. People can't make an informed decision with what you gave.

This is how you do it. We're talking about SORE LOSER here, not criticizing the loss. A loss is a loss.


Pacquiao
* Fired his trainer after the trainer told him to do a rematch because the trainer knew he LOST despite Manny not accepting the loss

* Delayed payment to his trainer after the loss

* Ducked the rematch after being called out repeatedly by the victor

* Chased and failed a fight with washed Amir Khan

* Chased and got a fight with washed Lucas Matthysse

* Fought Lucas in a foreign country with NO drug testing, knocked him out and got a belt, embarassing loss remains


Wilder

* Fired Mark Breland for throwing a towel against orders not to ever do it

* Proceeded to give a laundry list of excuses about why he lost (but he accepted that he lost)

* Fought tooth and nail to keep the rematch - did NOT want to run from the rematch, but contracts are a B and he ran out of time




Exhibit A: Fighter denies his loss, blames his trainer, then knocks a guy out in a foreign country with NO drug testing while ducking the rematch. As a result of his actions we ended up with TWO belts held hostage: WBA and WBO, for more than two years, and less chance of unification than ever before.

Exhibit B: Fighter accepts his loss, just not why, blames his trainer, but really wants that rematch to avenge his dishonor. Because of his actions we're about to get a unification.



I'm sorry, but if you honestly think Wilder is more a sore loser...I just don't know.

[kingstip9]

What in the blue hell was that? NO DATA to back up anything. People can't make an informed decision with what you gave.

This is how you do it. We're talking about SORE LOSER here, not criticizing the loss. A loss is a loss.


Pacquiao
* Fired his trainer after the trainer told him to do a rematch because the trainer knew he LOST despite Manny not accepting the loss

* Delayed payment to his trainer after the loss

* Ducked the rematch after being called out repeatedly by the victor

* Chased and failed a fight with washed Amir Khan

* Chased and got a fight with washed Lucas Matthysse

* Fought Lucas in a foreign country with NO drug testing, knocked him out and got a belt, embarassing loss remains


Wilder

* Fired Mark Breland for throwing a towel against orders not to ever do it

* Proceeded to give a laundry list of excuses about why he lost (but he accepted that he lost)

* Fought tooth and nail to keep the rematch - did NOT want to run from the rematch, but contracts are a B and he ran out of time




Exhibit A: Fighter denies his loss, blames his trainer, then knocks a guy out in a foreign country with NO drug testing while ducking the rematch. As a result of his actions we ended up with TWO belts held hostage: WBA and WBO, for more than two years, and less chance of unification than ever before.

Exhibit B: Fighter accepts his loss, just not why, blames his trainer, but really wants that rematch to avenge his dishonor.



I'm sorry, but if you honestly think Wilder is more a sore loser...I just don't know.

Wilder is possibly one of the worst losers in history. Suck it up son.

[kafkod]

What in the blue hell was that? NO DATA to back up anything. People can't make an informed decision with what you gave.

This is how you do it. We're talking about SORE LOSER here, not criticizing the loss. A loss is a loss.


Pacquiao
* Fired his trainer after the trainer told him to do a rematch because the trainer knew he LOST despite Manny not accepting the loss

* Delayed payment to his trainer after the loss

* Ducked the rematch after being called out repeatedly by the victor

* Chased and failed a fight with washed Amir Khan

* Chased and got a fight with washed Lucas Matthysse

* Fought Lucas in a foreign country with NO drug testing, knocked him out and got a belt, embarassing loss remains


Wilder

* Fired Mark Breland for throwing a towel against orders not to ever do it

* Proceeded to give a laundry list of excuses about why he lost (but he accepted that he lost)

* Fought tooth and nail to keep the rematch - did NOT want to run from the rematch, but contracts are a B and he ran out of time




Exhibit A: Fighter denies his loss, blames his trainer, then knocks a guy out in a foreign country with NO drug testing while ducking the rematch. As a result of his actions we ended up with TWO belts held hostage: WBA and WBO, for more than two years, and less chance of unification than ever before.

Exhibit B: Fighter accepts his loss, just not why, blames his trainer, but really wants that rematch to avenge his dishonor.



I'm sorry, but if you honestly think Wilder is more a sore loser...I just don't know.

Wilder didn't accept his loss though, he's still claiming he was cheated.

He didn't start pretending to "fight tooth and nail" for a rematch until after the contract expired. He didn't say a word about it or show his face in public for 10 months after getting his ass kicked.

He had a legal right to enforce a rematch, whether the networks wanted it or not, and he didn't say or do anything about it until he knew it was too late.

[kafkod]

Wilder is possibly one of the worst losers in history. Suck it up son.

Worst loser in history is 50/50 between Wilder and Trump.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Wilder didn't accept his loss though, he's still claiming he was cheated.

When he said "your King will rise again" that's accepting that he lost.

He didn't run around claiming "I never lost that fight" / "I never got knocked out".

He didn't start pretending to "fight tooth and nail" for a rematch until after the contract expired. He didn't say a word about it or show his face in public for 10 months after getting his ass kicked.

He had a legal right to enforce a rematch, whether the networks wanted it or not, and he didn't say or do anything about it until he knew it was too late.

Some on NSB say that such negotiations don't happen in public or on social media.

He went silent for a bit, then announced he was invoking the rematch clause. That was just before Breland got fired.

That he invoked it shows he wanted it. Arum refused to book it due the pandemic and the desire to have a crowd. He broke it down on video - he tried like three times, but either the venue was already booked or he couldn't get booked, when if it wasn't for the pandemic it'd be easy to book it.

Now, whether he's lying or not, we don't know. But multiple fighters went more than a year before getting a fight, so there's likely something to it.

[kafkod]

When he said "your King will rise again" that's accepting that he lost.

He didn't run around claiming "I never lost that fight" / "I never got knocked out".

Manny's fight went the distance and Wilder's didn't. Those are facts that nobody can argue with, even if they're as deluded as Wilder and his fanboys.

Wilder claimed that Fury's gloves were loaded, that the referee was drunk, and that his own trainer spiked his water and only threw in the towel because somebody associated with Fury told him to.

He also claimed that he'd got himself together, and was gathering momentum for a comeback in round seven, and that Fury was exhausted when ... "All of a sudden, the towel came in"

He's also said, several times, that in his own mind he's still the champion, because Fury can't beat him without cheating.

Some on NSB say that such negotiations don't happen in public or on social media.

He went silent for a bit, then announced he was invoking the rematch clause. That was just before Breland got fired.

That he invoked it shows he wanted it. Arum refused to book it due the pandemic and the desire to have a crowd. He broke it down on video - he tried like three times, but either the venue was already booked or he couldn't get booked, when if it wasn't for the pandemic it'd be easy to book it.

Now, whether he's lying or not, we don't know. But multiple fighters went more than a year before getting a fight, so there's likely something to it.

Arum is Fury's promoter, not Wilder's, and it wasn't Fury who needed the rematch it was Wilder. He had a legal right to insist that it happened before the deadline expired, so why was he sitting around waiting for Fury's promoter to do what he and his own team should have been doing?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Manny's fight went the distance and Wilder's didn't. Those are facts that nobody can argue with, even if they're as deluded as Wilder and his fanboys.

Wilder claimed that Fury's gloves were loaded, that the referee was drunk, and that his own trainer spiked his water and only threw in the towel because somebody associated with Fury told him to.

He also claimed that he'd got himself together, and was gathering momentum for a comeback in round seven, and that Fury was exhausted when ... "All of a sudden, the towel came in"

He's also said, several times, that in his own mind he's still the champion, because Fury can't beat him without cheating.



Arum is Fury's promoter, not Wilder's, and it wasn't Fury who needed the rematch it was Wilder. He had a legal right to insist that it happened before the deadline expired, so why was he sitting around waiting for Fury's promoter to do what he and his own team should have been doing?

Fury is the A-Side. A-Side controls the venue.

Second, I already accounted for the laundry list of excuses.

But at no point did Wilder say he won the fight when history books showed he didn't. He said he wasn't beaten fairly. We'll never know for sure, but what we do know is that he told his crew never to throw a towel. When you disobey your boss, you get fired. Good/Bad/Right/Wrong, don't matter.

Distance or KO, doesn't matter; "At The End Of The Day", history books recorded a LOSS for both guys, one of which didn't accept it (fine) but then ducked the rematch for it (not fine).

Wilder sought a rematch, not ducked it.

Sore losers don't run TO rematches; they run FROM them.

[kafkod]

Fury is the A-Side. A-Side controls the venue.

Second, I already accounted for the laundry list of excuses.

But at no point did Wilder say he won the fight when history books showed he didn't. He said he wasn't beaten fairly. We'll never know for sure, but what we do know is that he told his crew never to throw a towel. When you disobey your boss, you get fired. Good/Bad/Right/Wrong, don't matter.

Distance or KO, doesn't matter; "At The End Of The Day", history books recorded a LOSS for both guys, one of which didn't accept it (fine) but then ducked the rematch for it (not fine).

Wilder sought a rematch, not ducked it.

Sore losers don't run TO rematches; they run FROM them.

Lol, there are no A or B sides in a legally binding contract! What the heck do you think contracts are for?

Wilder had the right to insist that the rematch happened within the time frame stipulated in the rematch clause, and he chose not to exercise that right.

End of.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Lol, there are no A or B sides in a legally binding contract! What the heck do you think contracts are for?

Wilder had the right to insist that the rematch happened within the time frame stipulated in the rematch clause, and he chose not to exercise that right.

End of.

"there are no A or B sides in a legally binding contract"

The contract wouldn't have happened if there wasn't an agreement on who would be the A-Side.

Which is why Arum delayed on the second fight after the draw.