Any version of Floyd vs same weight version of Manny.

[SweetPbfAli]

Yap yap yap, wheres the the proof he ducked, yap yap yap , here is the proof Manny ducked , yap yap yap .

Fck me you yappers are pathetic , its in print and all you do is yap yap yap , you go on about Floyd not being able to read and start threads well read this moron it clearly shows why the fight didnt happen in 2010 and it all Manny saying no PED testing Im scared of needles Floyd is too big for testing its not fair , Manny yaps yaps just like his BS fans that start threads about Floyd day in and day out and they cry because I stand up for him .

Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports said today that he was given a copy of an 8 page bout agreement from the end of 2009 which would have ended with a March 13, 2010 superfight:

A contract sent on Dec. 11, 2009, by Golden Boy Promotions on behalf of Mayweather to Top Rank on behalf of Pacquiao proposed a 50-50 financial split between the sides for a fight that would have been held March 13, 2010.

The eight-page agreement is so detailed that it indicates which of the two fighters would step onto the scale first at the weigh-in (Pacquiao), who would walk to the ring first (Pacquiao), who would be introduced first (Mayweather) and who had first choice of the locker room (Mayweather).

It detailed that the bout would have been on HBO Pay-Per-View at a cost of $59.95. Billing was to be "Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, presented by Top Rank, Golden Boy Promotions, Mayweather Promotions and M-P Promotions in association with [approved sponsors and the site]."

Pacquiao's side declined the 2009 contract offer because Pacquiao objected to Mayweather's request for the drug testing.

Like this is all documented but people act as if it didn't happen. For the record, I think it was more Arum than Manny. Arum was Floyd's promotor and he knew just how good Floyd was and that he could milk Manny by matching him in house a little longer instead of risk him losing to the fighter that just left his company.

I remember Arum saying that he was taking the contract to Manny and it shouldn't be an issue, just some small details then next thing you know, the fight is off lol.

[just the facts]

Very simple. if floyd who's full of IV couldn't beat an injured pacquiao then it's safe to say that any version of floyd couldn't beat an injured pacquiao.

Not one CREDIBLE boxing historian, analyst or publication had Manny winning the fight. Not one!

The biggest Floyd hater/Manny lover on HBO (Lampley) had Floyd winning. The biggest Floyd hater/Manny lover on NSB (Pac-Boy) had Floyd winning. 15 out of the 18 media outlets worldwide covering the fight had Floyd winning (the other two somehow scored a draw). Your personal favorite boxing analyst (Max Kellerman) scored the fight for Floyd, wide. Do you actually think you're right and everyone else is wrong?

It's passed time for you to start living in reality, Floyd EASILY beat your hero and your undying man love will never change that.

[Zaroku]

But, in slow motion :
PAC koyzzz *****, Kim Jong Un
Reverse sea time and gets un KTFO by JMM

PAC can’t lose or hungry Filipinos will die..
Go to the Filipinos homeland.

[JRB123]

Ok so I said “any version of Floyd beats any version of Manny”.

My friend said “that’s why Floyd waited Pac out?!”

I said “are you implying Floyd was scared of Manny?”

What do you guys think? Was there a point where Manny could beat Floyd?

(Private vote)

Floyd beats Manny at any point of their careers. Doesn't matter what weight class. Floyd was going to be a bad matchup for Manny anyway.

[Roadblock]

Like this is all documented but people act as if it didn't happen. For the record, I think it was more Arum than Manny. Arum was Floyd's promotor and he knew just how good Floyd was and that he could milk Manny by matching him in house a little longer instead of risk him losing to the fighter that just left his company.

I remember Arum saying that he was taking the contract to Manny and it shouldn't be an issue, just some small details then next thing you know, the fight is off lol.

Ive always believed it was Arum he lies to his fighters, it was revealed by Koncz after the motel room meet between Floyd and Manny that they were not aware of the efforts Floyd did to try and make the fight, I believe Arum is doing the same information withholding to TC in the Spence dealings.

If Floyd had of beat Manny in 2010 he kills Arums goose that laid the golden egg, Arum milked Manny out before he would let him fight Floyd.

Arum is very two faced .

[djtmal]

I definitely think Floyd was avoiding fire when he retired, but I still don't see any way Pacquaio beats Floyd. I think a younger Pacquaio makes it more competitive, but still loses. You say Pac had slowed down but Mayweather's legs and movement hasn't been the same since he stepped foot at welter. You also say Pacquaio was "up and down" way more before Marquez stopped him. That's because those fighters were either stationary targets or hittable. Neither fighter had a defense or ring IQ comparable to that of Mayweather and the closest one (Marquez) knocked him out and pretty much split the series with him in all honesty. You say Floyd fought slow footed fighters, I don't see a lot of slick boxers of Mannys resume to be honest. Closest thing would be Marquez and their overall head to head record is deceptive. Most people thought Marquez won the first fight and at least one other in the series before the last fight.

That Floyd and Marquez fight nothing alike is true, especially because Floyd does every single thing better than he does. And If you couldn't see that Oscar was a dead man walking against Pac, I literally don't have anything else to say. He fought in a division that he hadn't fought in for about 7 years. Just look at how his body looked.

Can't believe I'm actually defending Floyd lol

I don't see how a lot of unbeatable guys lost but they did. Floyd is risk averse he only fights guys that he is confident he could beat with no problems. He ain't want no more Burton's showing up at his doorstep when he became the a-side.

2009 Manny he just was not confident that he could beat him without any adversity happening.
It was obvious in his and his whole camp's body language. Everybody from Floyd Jr. and Sr., Roger, Ellerbe. You mentioned Manny's name and they all started stuttering and getting super defensive.

It wasn't Bob Arum, or the purse split, the ost's. It was Manny's style. That signals to me Manny could beat him.

Takes me back to Srl/Duran 1. On paper Srl had too many advantages should beat Duran easy but Duran got under Ray's skin in a way nobody did. Ray fought the wrong fight and lost. I believe the word they use for that is intangibles.

Regarding Oscar he was suppose to beat Manny simply because he had more advantages so no excuse and he didn't make any. Actually he said it best he didn't have it that night and that is far more acceptable than dead man walking have you ever heard Oscar say that about himself. He got more class than that. He fought Manny. Got the brakes beat off him, and smartly retired. Saying he was a dead man walking is a regurgitated Floyd line used to make up an excuse because Manny beat him more convincingly imo. Floyd fought the same part time fighter/promoter. He could have stepped on the gas and did the same thing Manny did but again, Floyd is risk averse.

Floyd/Marquez/Manny. Those guys fight nothing alike. To me, Manny does a lot of things better than Marquez, but Marquez just has his number that's part of the game, and it was obvious to me that Floyd didn't carry the same respect for Marquez that he did for Manny. At ww Marquez was slow he could always give Manny problems but what else was happening after that.
Floyd knew he could basically control the whole narrative with Marquez that's why he was able to pull him up two weight classes and welch him on the catchweight because Marquez was looking for that big payday. Manny he couldn't control as much until he got ko'd and his stock went down.

[Roadblock]

I don't see how a lot of unbeatable guys lost but they did. Floyd is risk averse he only fights guys that he is confident he could beat with no problems. He ain't want no more Burton's showing up at his doorstep when he became the a-side.

2009 Manny he just was not confident that he could beat him without any adversity happening.
It was obvious in his and his whole camp's body language. Everybody from Floyd Jr. and Sr., Roger, Ellerbe. You mentioned Manny's name and they all started stuttering and getting super defensive.

It wasn't Bob Arum, or the purse split, the ost's. It was Manny's style. That signals to me Manny could beat him.

Takes me back to Srl/Duran 1. On paper Srl had too many advantages should beat Duran easy but Duran got under Ray's skin in a way nobody did. Ray fought the wrong fight and lost. I believe the word they use for that is intangibles.

Regarding Oscar he was suppose to beat Manny simply because he had more advantages so no excuse and he didn't make any. Actually he said it best he didn't have it that night and that is far more acceptable than dead man walking have you ever heard Oscar say that about himself. He got more class than that. He fought Manny. Got the brakes beat off him, and smartly retired. Saying he was a dead man walking is a regurgitated Floyd line used to make up an excuse because Manny beat him more convincingly imo. Floyd fought the same part time fighter/promoter. He could have stepped on the gas and did the same thing Manny did but again, Floyd is risk averse.

Floyd/Marquez/Manny. Those guys fight nothing alike. To me, Manny does a lot of things better than Marquez, but Marquez just has his number that's part of the game, and it was obvious to me that Floyd didn't carry the same respect for Marquez that he did for Manny. At ww Marquez was slow he could always give Manny problems but what else was happening after that.
Floyd knew he could basically control the whole narrative with Marquez that's why he was able to pull him up two weight classes and welch him on the catchweight because Marquez was looking for that big payday. Manny he couldn't control as much until he got ko'd and his stock went down.

Tell me what do you make of these couple of statistics .

Manny vs Oscar and Manny vs Cotto both had 1.15 buys .

Floyd vs Victor Ortiz had 1.25 million buys.

[djtmal]

Like this is all documented but people act as if it didn't happen. For the record, I think it was more Arum than Manny. Arum was Floyd's promotor and he knew just how good Floyd was and that he could milk Manny by matching him in house a little longer instead of risk him losing to the fighter that just left his company.

I remember Arum saying that he was taking the contract to Manny and it shouldn't be an issue, just some small details then next thing you know, the fight is off lol.

Bob Arum lol. When you dudes gonna just hold Floyd accountable he was his own boss right.

The minute Manny agreed to all of Floyd's testing bs, Floyd moved the goalposts some more.

Just face it man. In 2009 Floyd backed out of the fight because he wasn't confident that he could beat Manny without catching some heat. Manny wasn't a slow, flat footed guy that Floyd could run from all night. Floyd wanted more Carlos Baldymirs.

[Roadblock]

Bob Arum lol. When you dudes gonna just hold Floyd accountable he was his own boss right.

The minute Manny agreed to all of Floyd's testing bs, Floyd moved the goalposts some more.

Just face it man. In 2009 Floyd backed out of the fight because he wasn't confident that he could beat Manny without catching some heat. Manny wasn't a slow, flat footed guy that Floyd could run from all night. Floyd wanted more Carlos Baldymirs.

When did Manny agree to full random testing no cut off dates ?

[thebrownbomber_]

Did you see what 38 year old mayweather did? Imagine the Mayweather that dogwalked corrales and battered gatti. Manny would get hurt.