Andrade claims he will enforce WBO 168 mandatory on May 9th

[-Kev-]

That's a very misleading statement because you're omitting a key fact - Andrade first called Canelo fight after the Trout, Mayweather, Lara fight when Andrade was a champ and those guys weren't - but instead of fighting a champ at 154, who does Canelo fight? James Kirkland.

He never ducked Charlo and and Lara and I already proved this.

You can't tell me that Andrade wouldn't be a tougher fight for Canelo than any of his recent opponents. You just can't. What resume did Rocky Fielding have since you care about resume so much?

So after fighting the established Trout, Mayweather and Lara, who were all seen as guys who can beat Canelo, he “ducked” the up and comer Andrade?

Trout had a win over Cotto.

Mayweather had recently beat top 10 fighters Cotto (@154), Guerrero and Ortiz. And he is Mayweather.

Lara was an avoided fighter who fans accused Canelo of ducking. With controversial fights vs Vanes and Paul Williams, wins over Angulo and Trout, going into the Canelo fight. No title, but it was a legacy fight.

K now let’s go over the wins Andrade had when he called out Canelo in the year that you mentioned.

Vanes, Grady Brewer, Freddy Hernandez.

Sorry...that’s a sh.t resume. Even Kirkland, who had seen better days, had a superior resume than that. Kirkland’s 5 fight win streak going into the Canelo fight included wins over Angulo in a highly anticipated fight who almost everyone thought Angulo was going to smash Kirkland early.

Was Kirkland the better fighter? Debatable. You can’t say yes or no because we’ve never seen Andrade consistently fighting top guys. Kirkland was the better name, had the better wins, and was the more marketable fighter. Andrade is still a nobody even now. Even with his worthless WBO strap, it his resume is still crap.

[Motorcity Cobra]

He’s had his chances. Pulled out of a signed Charlo fight in 2014 to seek more money, and pulled out of negotiations with Lara, also over money.

It’s prizefighting, it’s about money in the pros. The legacy stuff is just a fan chant. Fighters mostly care about money. Up and comers with with a mediocre resume calling out the top guys with great resumes, and the top guys say no to the up and comer, and fans eat that up as “great fighter A is ducking up and comer B”. But it really all comes down to money. I understand that. But Andrade has taken the money part of boxing so far that he has not had a top 10 win in 7 years. Which is really not common. Fighters who are being “ducked” can usually, at least, get some fringe top 10 contenders on their resume as they wait for the big shot. Andrade has been waiting and hoping for a big shot while putting zero work into his resume, which in turn hinders his ability to become a draw and get the more popular boxer’s attention.

I know all of this that's why I said he needs to take some type of risk. The Williams fight is a good fight. After that he has to do something. That fight is likely to take place before the Canelo vs BJS fight. He has to do something. He's made some horrible decisions most of his career. Now it's now or never

[TernceBudCharlo]

So after fighting the established Trout, Mayweather and Lara, who were all seen as guys who can beat Canelo, he “ducked” the up and comer Andrade?

Trout had a win over Cotto.

Mayweather had recently beat top 10 fighters Cotto (@154), Guerrero and Ortiz. And he is Mayweather.

Lara was an avoided fighter who fans accused Canelo of ducking. With controversial fights vs Vanes and Paul Williams, wins over Angulo and Trout, going into the Canelo fight. No title, but it was a legacy fight.

K now let’s go over the wins Andrade had when he called out Canelo in the year that you mentioned.

Vanes, Grady Brewer, Freddy Hernandez.

Sorry...that’s a sh.t resume. Even Kirkland, who had seen better days, had a superior resume than that. Kirkland’s 5 fight win streak going into the Canelo fight included wins over Angulo in a highly anticipated fight who almost everyone thought Angulo was going to smash Kirkland early.

Was Kirkland the better fighter? Debatable. You can’t say yes or no because we’ve never seen Andrade consistently fighting top guys. Kirkland was the better name, had the better wins, and was the more marketable fighter. Andrade is still a nobody even now. Even with his worthless WBO strap, it his resume is still crap.

Trout...Mayweather...Lara. One embarrassing loss and 2 "wins" that arguably could have gone the other way. It's pretty bad not to give Trout or Lara a rematch, but at least fight someone with a shot. Either way, you're the champ and the face of the sport, you should be taking on the best challenges. If you're not, don't try and pretend you are. I don't care that you took 3 tough fights in a row, when you're the cash cow like that you have an obligation to always fight the best.

You keep coming back to Andrade's resume, but the fact is he was champ, anyone who followed U.S. amateur boxing knows how dangerous this guy always was (wins over Thurman and others) (nobody was saying that about James Kirkland), and know that he's a legit talent. And he had a dominating win over Vanes, who was legit at that weight class at that time. Ring Junior Middle at the end of 2014 was 1 Floyd, 2 Canelo, 3 Lara, 4 Trout, 5 Andrade, 6 Vanes, so please tell me again how Andrade didn't deserve it? Kirkland sure as **** wasn't top 10, stop trying to argue that Kirkland was a more heralded 154 contender. I know you don't like Andrade, but it's an argument you will never win. IT certainly is not debatable.

[Thuglife Nelo]

That Liam Smith fight was the most obvious duck of the top 154 fighters in the division I've ever seen. The WBO even moved Trout out of the rankings to give Smith a shot at the title. The rest can be explained away in some form or fashion

That’s not how the events play out and ironically everything that’s being said from Andrade was already said by posters on the forum years ago regarding Canelo going for the WBO - guided by GBP.

When Canelo vacated the WBC 160 he had no more belts. It was theorized, just like Andrade’s point, that Canelo would exercise his 154 WBO champ status to 160 for a unification with GGG. Keep in mind that GGG needed the 160 WBO to embark in his mythical Undisputed claim. Which mean that Loeffler and Abel would have to bow down with whatever Canelo/GBP offered for the PPV mega fight. This was another opportunity to negotiate instead of the WBC purse bid imposed before by GGG Promotions, reason why they vacated.

Fans literally said Canelo “waited” for GGG to “old” from Liam Smith to Chavez. I even remember seeing Canelo ranked years ago below BJS, and then removed himself from the ranking. I take it Oscar finally convinced Abel and Loeffler to mark the fight with HBO backing GBP first and foremost, and we all got the fight we wanted. Therefore BJS was irrelevant to Canelo when they agreed with the first GGG fight.

Hence Andrade is insinuating protocol for what Canelo did with Liam Smith to BJS’s rankings.

[Motorcity Cobra]

That’s not how the events play out and ironically everything that’s being said from Andrade was already said by posters on the forum years ago regarding Canelo going for the WBO - guided by GBP.

When Canelo vacated the WBC 160 he had no more belts. It was theorized, just like Andrade’s point, that Canelo would exercise his 154 WBO champ status to 160 for a unification with GGG. Keep in mind that GGG needed the 160 WBO to embark in his mythical Undisputed claim. Which mean that Loeffler and Abel would have to bow down with whatever Canelo/GBP offered for the PPV mega fight. This was another opportunity to negotiate instead of the WBC purse bid imposed before by GGG Promotions, reason why they vacated.

Fans literally said Canelo “waited” for GGG to “old” from Liam Smith to Chavez. I even remember seeing Canelo ranked years ago below BJS, and then removed himself from the ranking. I take it Oscar finally convinced Abel and Loeffler to mark the fight with HBO backing GBP first and foremost, and we all got the fight we wanted. Therefore BJS was irrelevant to Canelo when they agreed with the first GGG fight.

Hence Andrade is insinuating protocol for what Canelo did with Liam Smith to BJS’s rankings.

Trout is suing the WBO for exactly what I said happened. You need to get a new act when you refuse to recognize reality. I already know what you're going to say before you say it.

[-Kev-]

Trout...Mayweather...Lara. One embarrassing loss and 2 "wins" that arguably could have gone the other way. It's pretty bad not to give Trout or Lara a rematch, but at least fight someone with a shot. Either way, you're the champ and the face of the sport, you should be taking on the best challenges. If you're not, don't try and pretend you are. I don't care that you took 3 tough fights in a row, when you're the cash cow like that you have an obligation to always fight the best.

You keep coming back to Andrade's resume, but the fact is he was champ, anyone who followed U.S. amateur boxing knows how dangerous this guy always was (wins over Thurman and others) (nobody was saying that about James Kirkland), and know that he's a legit talent. And he had a dominating win over Vanes, who was legit at that weight class at that time. Ring Junior Middle at the end of 2014 was 1 Floyd, 2 Canelo, 3 Lara, 4 Trout, 5 Andrade, 6 Vanes, so please tell me again how Andrade didn't deserve it? Kirkland sure as **** wasn't top 10, stop trying to argue that Kirkland was a more heralded 154 contender. I know you don't like Andrade, but it's an argument you will never win. IT certainly is not debatable.

Sorry but you can’t win a fight by not engaging with your opponent. Lara lost that fight all on his own.

Trout. All I saw in that fight was Canelo throwing and landing the better punches, while Trout was throwing and landing soft jabs and missing most of his power punches. Trout made Canelo look like Pernell Whitaker with his terrible accuracy when it came to anything that wasn’t a jab.

I keep coming back to Andrade’s resume because he lacks one. There’s nothing to speak of the 33 year old’s resume other than how mediocre it is.

Kirkland wasn’t top 10 at the time, but neither was Andrade. So why would Canelo pick an up and comer with no one on his resume over Kirkland?

160 Ring Rankings:

2016:

Champ: Canelo
1. GGG
2. Jacobs
3. Saunders
4. Lemiuex
5. A. Lee
6. Eubanks Jr
7. N’dam
8. Khurtsidze
9. Sulecki
10. Murata

2015:

Champ: Canelo
1. GGG
2. Jacobs
3. Saunders
4. Lemiuex
5. A. Lee
6. Quillin
7. N’dam
8. Eubank Jr
9. Geale
10. Soro



2014

Champ: Miguel Cotto
1. GGG
2. Quillin
3. S. Martinez
4. Geale
5. N’Dam
6. Murray
7. A. Lee
8. J. Taylor
9. Saunders
10. Jacobs

So Canelo ducked non top 10 ranked Demetrius Andrade and fought the #1’s and #2 RING ranked Middleweights. Makes sense.

Oh btw, like Trout and Lara, critics said Canelo would likely not fight GGG or Jacobs.

Andrade is so scary, so dangerous, that he scared Canelo into fighting GGG for 24 rounds and Jacobs just to duck him.