Comments Thread For: Daniel Kinahan - BBC Documentary Alleges The Controversial Figure is Still Advising Boxers

[kushking]

It's all about context, and few people on this thread are not even capable of providing a coherent argument, let alone a valid or sound one.

As for AJ being a criminal mastermind: in 2009, Joshua was put on remand in Reading Prison for what he describes as "fighting and other crazy stuff." He was made to wear an electronic tag on his ankle when released.

In March 2011, Joshua was pulled over by the police for speeding in Colindale, North London. He was found with eight ounces (226.8 grams) of herbal cannabis hidden in a sports bag in his Mercedes-Benz. He was charged with possession with intent to supply a class B drug, an offence that carries a maximum 14-year sentence. Joshua was suspended from the GB Boxing squad and was sentenced to a 12-month community order and 100 hours' unpaid work after pleading guilty at crown court.

This does not scream major criminal, rather more typically a young lad making poor decisions.

Kinahan has been the subject of multiple accusations, Fury is a well-documented former drug addict, and when one of BBC's serious investigative programs explores his history, dealings, relationships and so forth, they typically do so after covering their legal arses.

McGuigan was the only boxing figure to speak openly; he has had issues with fighters...

But are we that surprised that:

Boxing is still intrinsically linked with organised crime and corruption?
That boxers engage in drugs, sex and so on?
That relationships where trainers and fighters spend 6-7 days a week for years break down?

What I want to know is why hasn't boxing caught up with every other sport in terms of current political attitudes?

Is boxing so stuck in the past that we still are yet to hear about a single gay or lesbian boxer? Or advocating/supporting important current issues?

This is what intrigues me.

GTFOH,this has to be the dumbest idea to ruin boxing I've ever heard. Talk about sjw wanting boxing to be full of woke bs that turns it into the trash that is the NBA

Deontay Wilder was starting all that race baiting bs before getting battered by Fury,& According to him directly it was his woke dragshow outfit that caused him to get battered by Fury(he claimed his costume weighed too much)

[Blackstarr]

So I assume you refused to watch Whyte-Povetkin based on these principles?

I assume you won’t be watching Canelo-BJS too?

They’re all using PED’s tbh man. Certain fighters just haven’t been caught.

Come on man, you’re better than this. Where did I say I’d boycott a fight if one of the fighters took PEDs? Of course I’d still watch as I’m a fan..all I’m saying is there should be stricter punishment. Be it fines, probation or whatever - it just needs to be taken more seriously. Once punishment is served, they should be allowed to move on, just as Mike Tyson did with his **** conviction for example.

And as I said, there should be a distinction between someone who took an over the counter nasal decongestant or Pre-workout available to anyone (Whyte and Saunders), versus someone that took a PED that can only be administered via injection (e.g Fury’s nandrolone), as this clearly shows wilful intent.

[kushking]

Come on man, you’re better than this. Where did I say I’d boycott a fight if someone if they took PEDs? Of course I’d still watch as I’m a fan..all I’m saying is there should be stricter punishment. Be it fines, probation or whatever - it just needs to be taken more seriously. Once punishment is served, they should be allowed to move on, just as Mike Tyson did with his **** conviction for example.

And as I said, there should be a distinction between someone who took an over the counter nasal decongestant or Pre-workout available to anyone (Whyte and Saunders), versus someone that took a PED that can only be administered via injection (e.g Fury’s nandrolone), as this clearly shows wilful intent.

Whyte took Dbol,he is the most guilty as they come (& it was his 2nd time),he kept it a secret & cheated Rivas by being juiced with Ukads help. Saunders isn't innocent either he sought out a specific nasal spray that contains a powerful stimulant to cheat Andrade,he then rather than fight Andrade & rather than submit to further testing to prove his innocence,fled all the way up to lhw which further proved his guilt Because him being a fat tîts is precisely why he cheated with Oxilofrine. No different than Higgens the UK cyclist who cheated by getting roids trucked in from where they're legal,& of course Ukad let him off too despite mountains of evidence. Notice a trend?

[Blackstarr]

Whyte took Dbol,he is the most guilty as they come (& it was his 2nd time),he kept it a secret & cheated Rivas by being juiced with Ukads help. Saunders isn't innocent either he sought out a specific nasal spray that contains a powerful stimulant to cheat Andrade,he then rather than fight Andrade & rather than submit to further testing to prove his innocence,fled all the way up to lhw which further proved his guilt Because him being a fat tîts is precisely why he cheated with Oxilofrine. No different than Higgens the UK cyclist who cheated by getting roids trucked in from where they're legal,& of course Ukad let him off too despite mountains of evidence. Notice a trend?

Whyte was deemed clean by VADA with that second incident, and was eventually cleared by UKAD - the strictest anti-doping agency in boxing. What other jurisdiction hands out mandatory 2 year bans for 1st offences, or even any offence at all? Nobody knows for sure, but nothing would surprise me and you could be right. How Fury managed to fight Klitschko after testing positive in the Hammer fight beforehand, and then keeping a subsequent ban secret is beyond me.

And you’re also probably right with Saunders tbh..in retrospect there’s no point making distinctions that creates possible loop holes. They’re all guilty as hell.

[Motorcity Cobra]

I will be tabling questions to @DCMS over the coming days on the role of Daniel Kinahan in boxing. https://t.co/C9iWL3Ua21

— Stephen Farry MP (@StephenFarryMP) February 3, 2021

[tonysoprano]

What he needs to do is question Sky and the Broadcasters who use MTK fighters. Effectively they are supporting an organization funded by criminal activity.

It will fall down eventually. It always does for people like Kinahan. You never really hear it when it happens.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Come on man, you’re better than this. Where did I say I’d boycott a fight if one of the fighters took PEDs? Of course I’d still watch as I’m a fan..all I’m saying is there should be stricter punishment. Be it fines, probation or whatever - it just needs to be taken more seriously. Once punishment is served, they should be allowed to move on, just as Mike Tyson did with his **** conviction for example.

And as I said, there should be a distinction between someone who took an over the counter nasal decongestant or Pre-workout available to anyone (Whyte and Saunders), versus someone that took a PED that can only be administered via injection (e.g Fury’s nandrolone), as this clearly shows wilful intent.

I’m just using this to prove my point man. There are no morals in boxing.

You’re saying PED usage should be a criminal offence yet you’ll still watch two repeat offenders in Whyte and Povetkin. Neither of which served a punishment for at least one of their offences. We can’t tell people to take things more seriously when we’re clearly not taking them seriously.

We complain about governance but we’re just as guilty cause we still watch the fights. Same applies with Kinahan. I highly doubt anybody boycotted Fury-Wilder because they were so disgusted by his activities. As you pointed out how many of us still watched Mike Tyson when he literally did commit a horrendous offence.

I used to somewhat care about this sort sh** when I first got into boxing in the 90’s, but it’s honestly never gonna change. It’s boxing... it’s always gonna be a sport filled with corruption. Always has, always will.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

It's all about context, and few people on this thread are not even capable of providing a coherent argument, let alone a valid or sound one.

As for AJ being a criminal mastermind: in 2009, Joshua was put on remand in Reading Prison for what he describes as "fighting and other crazy stuff." He was made to wear an electronic tag on his ankle when released.

In March 2011, Joshua was pulled over by the police for speeding in Colindale, North London. He was found with eight ounces (226.8 grams) of herbal cannabis hidden in a sports bag in his Mercedes-Benz. He was charged with possession with intent to supply a class B drug, an offence that carries a maximum 14-year sentence. Joshua was suspended from the GB Boxing squad and was sentenced to a 12-month community order and 100 hours' unpaid work after pleading guilty at crown court.

This does not scream major criminal, rather more typically a young lad making poor decisions.

Kinahan has been the subject of multiple accusations, Fury is a well-documented former drug addict, and when one of BBC's serious investigative programs explores his history, dealings, relationships and so forth, they typically do so after covering their legal arses.

McGuigan was the only boxing figure to speak openly; he has had issues with fighters...

But are we that surprised that:

Boxing is still intrinsically linked with organised crime and corruption?
That boxers engage in drugs, sex and so on?
That relationships where trainers and fighters spend 6-7 days a week for years break down?

What I want to know is why hasn't boxing caught up with every other sport in terms of current political attitudes?

Is boxing so stuck in the past that we still are yet to hear about a single gay or lesbian boxer? Or advocating/supporting important current issues?

This is what intrigues me.

The general consensus is that AJ was dealing back in the day. He was driving an S Class on a low rate GB scholarship so he must have been making cash somehow.

Even if he was though who the f*** cares? Loads of boxers have pasts. Look at B-Hop for example...

It’s what happens inside the ring that matters.

[BennyBlanco]

Sounds like Haymon and his loophole Ali Act dodging enterprise.

Yeah, because dodging the Ali Act is so similar to running a murderous international drug cartel.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Whyte was deemed clean by VADA with that second incident, and was eventually cleared by UKAD - the strictest anti-doping agency in boxing. What other jurisdiction hands out mandatory 2 year bans for 1st offences, or even any offence at all? Nobody knows for sure, but nothing would surprise me and you could be right. How Fury managed to fight Klitschko after testing positive in the Hammer fight beforehand, and then keeping a subsequent ban secret is beyond me.

And you’re also probably right with Saunders tbh..in retrospect there’s no point making distinctions that creates possible loop holes. They’re all guilty as hell.

You surely don’t think Whyte is innocent do you?

You’re last line sums it up perfectly.