Could 40yo Floyd Mayweather have beaten Keith Thurman?

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That was a very different Thurman than the broken long time off Thurman that Manny beat, and it was Floyds last fight, you might be surprised who Manny fights as his last fight, and I bet your one of the guys that says Manny has nothing to prove he can fight whom ever he wants too, now apply that same process to Floyd.

Floyd would not lose a round to the Keith Manny fought, Keith wouldn't lose the same way Manny beat him but he would lose just the same only clear, Keith is a boxer and Floyd washes boxers.

hmm kinda like the broken manny that floyd beat and not the very different manny that marquez beat? right....

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hmm kinda like the broken manny that floyd beat and not the very different manny that marquez beat? right....

How was Manny broken, they said he was in the best shape of his career with no injuries cant be being Koed he had that a number of times, said he just wanted Toradol as a precaution if something happened like Floyd was too good maybe, but they would not let him roll like that.

Now Thurman, 2 yrs out, major surgery, one fight back where he was nearly stopped by a guy Maidana KOed, and then Manny, now thats a broken Thurman that has since had more surgery and time out, most definitely broken .

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hmm kinda like the broken manny that floyd beat and not the very different manny that marquez beat? right....

Pac's shoulder bone (AKA fake AF injury) couldn't withstand the pressure

The damage would have been 10 fold if Pac took the random blood test back in the day

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How was Manny broken, they said he was in the best shape of his career with no injuries cant be being Koed he had that a number of times, said he just wanted Toradol as a precaution if something happened like Floyd was too good maybe, but they would not let him roll like that.

Now Thurman, 2 yrs out, major surgery, one fight back where he was nearly stopped by a guy Maidana KOed, and then Manny, now thats a broken Thurman that has since had more surgery and time out, most definitely broken .

Not according to Thurman....

"Everything is going well for me including in my last fight. There’s often something that happens, but thankfully this camp I have been completely healthy. We were very smart in camp. We were very careful. We sparred the rounds that felt like we needed to spar. I closed camp with 12 hard rounds and I haven’t been able to do that in a while because of injuries. It just feels good mentally and all around. I don’t think I have ever been in a better place.

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Not according to Thurman....

"Everything is going well for me including in my last fight. There’s often something that happens, but thankfully this camp I have been completely healthy. We were very smart in camp. We were very careful. We sparred the rounds that felt like we needed to spar. I closed camp with 12 hard rounds and I haven’t been able to do that in a while because of injuries. It just feels good mentally and all around. I don’t think I have ever been in a better place.

2 yrs out from major surgery, nearly stopped by a B grader that Maidana knocked out and split decision to Manny and now more surgery from an injury during the fight.

He was 100% broken and trying to sell snow to Eskimos. I guess you bought it.

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2 yrs out from major surgery, nearly stopped by a B grader that Maidana knocked out and split decision to Manny and now more surgery from an injury during the fight.

He was 100% broken and trying to sell snow to Eskimos. I guess you bought it.

Excuses excuses.

He was also the man to beat. Beat two top prime guys to get two of the 4 belts that matter, had youth size reach on Manny, and Manny beat him. He was and still is, in his prime also.

Same guy that Floyd ducked to fight Andre Berto mind yous.

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Excuses excuses.

He was also the man to beat. Beat two top prime guys to get two of the 4 belts that matter, had youth size reach on Manny, and Manny beat him. He was and still is, in his prime also.

Same guy that Floyd ducked to fight Andre Berto mind yous.

He was broken thats why Manny chose him, it got him out of fighting Spence, he was all over it when Thurman was nearly stopped by Lopez, Thurman was broken you can try and polish a turd its still going to be a turd.

Read this very carefully because it tells very clearly why they chose Thurman over Spence, Manny was ringside when Spence beat Mikey and wanted nothing to with Spence, it even says so in the article, next thing Thurman looks a shell and boom Manny is fighting Thurman, this is Mannys modus operandi, did it with Mosley coming off a loss and a draw, did it to Rios and Mattheyse both shot, Margarito after 2yrs out for a bogus 154 title at 150.

Boy oh boy when you look under the Hood on Mannys career its just full off carefully selected matches under special conditions that the average fan pays no attention too, again Thurman was broken.



Every time Freddie Roach watches Keith Thurman’s last fight, he is less impressed with Pacquiao’s upcoming opponent.

It wasn’t just that Josesito Lopez almost upset Thurman when he hurt the heavily favored fighter in the seventh round. Pacquiao’s trainer considered it a poor performance overall for the unbeaten WBA “super” world welterweight champion and questioned whether Thurman ever can regain the form that enabled him to defeat Danny Garcia and Shawn Porter before injuries interrupted his career.

“I thought I was watching a four-round fighter,” Roach told BoxingScene.com following a Pacquiao training session this week at Roach’s Wild Card Boxing Club. “I mean, he was terrible. He didn’t do well at all. But if you look at each of his last three fights, he’s faded in each one. I’m not sure if it’s the biceps injury or whatever they’re crying about, but he hasn’t looked good in the three fights that I’ve seen and I do have his last seven fights on tape.”

Thurman came back from those troublesome moments in the seventh round to beat Lopez by unanimous decision in their 12-rounder January 26 at Barclays Center in Brooklyn. The 30-year-old Thurman (29-0, 22 KOs, 1 NC) obviously had to shed some rust in that bout because he hadn’t fought in more than 22 months due to elbow surgery and a subsequent hand injury.

Still, based on what Roach saw from Thurman versus Lopez (36-8, 19 KOs), he was surprised Thurman even agreed to fight Pacquiao next.

“I don’t think he’s the fighter he once was,” Roach said. “That’s why at the press conference I kept telling him we’re gonna kick his ass. Manny was being too nice. I just wanted to let him know, because he was giving it to Manny. Manny’s a nice kid and he lets that bounce off him, and sometimes I can’t.”

Though Thurman is 10 years younger than Pacquiao, Roach feels that Thurman is the one that needs to convince boxing fans that he still can compete at the elite level.

“He definitely has more to prove than Manny because he hasn’t looked good in a long time,” Roach said. “And he needs his fan base back. There was a time when he was knocking people out, like Manny Pacquiao was at one time, also. They both need to be impressive in this fight. You know, this is kind of one of those fights that they both need to win to keep going.”

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By the time Thurman and Pacquiao square off in their FOX Sports Pay-Per-View main event July 20 at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Thurman won’t have recorded a knockout in four years. The last opponent he stopped inside the distance was Luis Collazo, who couldn’t continue after seven rounds because he said he couldn’t see due to a cut over his right eye in July 2015 in Tampa, Florida.

The 40-year-old Pacquiao (61-7-2, 39 KOs) has knocked out only one opponent in the 9½ years since he stopped Miguel Cotto in the 12th round of their WBO welterweight title fight in November 2009. That victory – a seventh-round stoppage of Argentina’s Lucas Matthysse 11 months ago – and Pacquiao’s easy points win against Adrien Broner on January 19 have encouraged Roach regarding his chances against an opponent who was considered perhaps boxing’s best welterweight before his long layoff.

“He beat [Broner] every round,” Roach said. “I really enjoyed that fight. I thought he fought very well. It was the most aggressive I’ve seen Manny in a long time. I like when Manny goes forward like that, and takes the fight to them. And I feel in this fight, we’ll have to do the same thing, because if you watch Thurman’s last three fights, once he gets hit and feels the power, he will move. I think he’ll have to use pressure in this fight because I think that Thurman will run once he feels Manny’s power and speed.”

As confident as Roach is about Pacquiao beating Thurman, he wasn’t Roach’s first choice when it came time to pick Pacquiao’s next opponent.

Roach had hoped Pacquiao would face Mikey Garcia because he felt Pacquiao-Garcia would’ve been a more entertaining fight based on their styles. He also figured Pacquiao would’ve made more money for fighting Garcia (39-1, 30 KOs), but Pacquiao-Garcia became a less marketable match once IBF welterweight champion Errol Spence Jr. (25-0, 21 KOs) defeated Garcia so convincingly March 16 at the Dallas Cowboys’ AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

“His name was floating around, and then he got beat by Errol Spence,” Roach said. “We needed him to win that fight before we could make that fight. But this was what was offered and my job is to get him ready for whoever we’re in against. So, that’s what we’re doing.”

Pacquiao and Roach didn’t want to face a lesser opponent once the Filipino legend beat Broner (33-4-1, 24 KOs, 1 NC).

“We wanna be at a high level in boxing,” Roach said. “We’re not gonna travel around and fight the toughest guy in the local neighborhood. That’s not why we’re in the business. We’re in the business to be a champion.”

If Pacquiao can become the first fighter to defeat Thurman, he’ll become the WBA’s true welterweight champion.

Pacquiao won a version of the WBA’s 147-pound championship when he dropped Matthysse three times and stopped him last July 15 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. However, Thurman owns the WBA’s “super” welterweight title and has been a WBA title-holder in his weight class since he knocked out Diego Chaves in the 10th round of their July 2013 fight in San Antonio.

None of that matters to Roach.

“We’re 10 years older in this fight,” Roach said, “but don’t count us out, because I don’t think we’re going anywhere.”

Keith Idec is a senior writer/columnist for BoxingScene.com. He can be reached on Twitter @Idecboxing.

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He was broken thats why Manny chose him, it got him out of fighting Spence, he was all over it when Thurman was nearly stopped by Lopez, Thurman was broken you can try and polish a turd its still going to be a turd.

Read this very carefully because it tells very clearly why they chose Thurman over Spence, Manny was ringside when Spence beat Mikey and wanted nothing to with Spence, it even says so in the article, next thing Thurman looks a shell and boom Manny is fighting Thurman, this is Mannys modus operandi, did it with Mosley coming off a loss and a draw, did it to Rios and Mattheyse both shot, Margarito after 2yrs out for a bogus 154 title at 150.

Boy oh boy when you look under the Hood on Mannys career its just full off carefully selected matches under special conditions that the average fan pays no attention too, again Thurman was broken.



Every time Freddie Roach watches Keith Thurman’s last fight, he is less impressed with Pacquiao’s upcoming opponent.

It wasn’t just that Josesito Lopez almost upset Thurman when he hurt the heavily favored fighter in the seventh round. Pacquiao’s trainer considered it a poor performance overall for the unbeaten WBA “super” world welterweight champion and questioned whether Thurman ever can regain the form that enabled him to defeat Danny Garcia and Shawn Porter before injuries interrupted his career.

“I thought I was watching a four-round fighter,” Roach told BoxingScene.com following a Pacquiao training session this week at Roach’s Wild Card Boxing Club. “I mean, he was terrible. He didn’t do well at all. But if you look at each of his last three fights, he’s faded in each one. I’m not sure if it’s the biceps injury or whatever they’re crying about, but he hasn’t looked good in the three fights that I’ve seen and I do have his last seven fights on tape.”

Thurman came back from those troublesome moments in the seventh round to beat Lopez by unanimous decision in their 12-rounder January 26 at Barclays Center in Brooklyn. The 30-year-old Thurman (29-0, 22 KOs, 1 NC) obviously had to shed some rust in that bout because he hadn’t fought in more than 22 months due to elbow surgery and a subsequent hand injury.

Still, based on what Roach saw from Thurman versus Lopez (36-8, 19 KOs), he was surprised Thurman even agreed to fight Pacquiao next.

“I don’t think he’s the fighter he once was,” Roach said. “That’s why at the press conference I kept telling him we’re gonna kick his ass. Manny was being too nice. I just wanted to let him know, because he was giving it to Manny. Manny’s a nice kid and he lets that bounce off him, and sometimes I can’t.”

Though Thurman is 10 years younger than Pacquiao, Roach feels that Thurman is the one that needs to convince boxing fans that he still can compete at the elite level.

“He definitely has more to prove than Manny because he hasn’t looked good in a long time,” Roach said. “And he needs his fan base back. There was a time when he was knocking people out, like Manny Pacquiao was at one time, also. They both need to be impressive in this fight. You know, this is kind of one of those fights that they both need to win to keep going.”

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By the time Thurman and Pacquiao square off in their FOX Sports Pay-Per-View main event July 20 at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Thurman won’t have recorded a knockout in four years. The last opponent he stopped inside the distance was Luis Collazo, who couldn’t continue after seven rounds because he said he couldn’t see due to a cut over his right eye in July 2015 in Tampa, Florida.

The 40-year-old Pacquiao (61-7-2, 39 KOs) has knocked out only one opponent in the 9½ years since he stopped Miguel Cotto in the 12th round of their WBO welterweight title fight in November 2009. That victory – a seventh-round stoppage of Argentina’s Lucas Matthysse 11 months ago – and Pacquiao’s easy points win against Adrien Broner on January 19 have encouraged Roach regarding his chances against an opponent who was considered perhaps boxing’s best welterweight before his long layoff.

“He beat [Broner] every round,” Roach said. “I really enjoyed that fight. I thought he fought very well. It was the most aggressive I’ve seen Manny in a long time. I like when Manny goes forward like that, and takes the fight to them. And I feel in this fight, we’ll have to do the same thing, because if you watch Thurman’s last three fights, once he gets hit and feels the power, he will move. I think he’ll have to use pressure in this fight because I think that Thurman will run once he feels Manny’s power and speed.”

As confident as Roach is about Pacquiao beating Thurman, he wasn’t Roach’s first choice when it came time to pick Pacquiao’s next opponent.

Roach had hoped Pacquiao would face Mikey Garcia because he felt Pacquiao-Garcia would’ve been a more entertaining fight based on their styles. He also figured Pacquiao would’ve made more money for fighting Garcia (39-1, 30 KOs), but Pacquiao-Garcia became a less marketable match once IBF welterweight champion Errol Spence Jr. (25-0, 21 KOs) defeated Garcia so convincingly March 16 at the Dallas Cowboys’ AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

“His name was floating around, and then he got beat by Errol Spence,” Roach said. “We needed him to win that fight before we could make that fight. But this was what was offered and my job is to get him ready for whoever we’re in against. So, that’s what we’re doing.”

Pacquiao and Roach didn’t want to face a lesser opponent once the Filipino legend beat Broner (33-4-1, 24 KOs, 1 NC).

“We wanna be at a high level in boxing,” Roach said. “We’re not gonna travel around and fight the toughest guy in the local neighborhood. That’s not why we’re in the business. We’re in the business to be a champion.”

If Pacquiao can become the first fighter to defeat Thurman, he’ll become the WBA’s true welterweight champion.

Pacquiao won a version of the WBA’s 147-pound championship when he dropped Matthysse three times and stopped him last July 15 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. However, Thurman owns the WBA’s “super” welterweight title and has been a WBA title-holder in his weight class since he knocked out Diego Chaves in the 10th round of their July 2013 fight in San Antonio.

None of that matters to Roach.

“We’re 10 years older in this fight,” Roach said, “but don’t count us out, because I don’t think we’re going anywhere.”

Keith Idec is a senior writer/columnist for BoxingScene.com. He can be reached on Twitter @Idecboxing.

Ok and your boy Floyd, had a poll asking the public to choose his next opponent. Slow flat footed short armed come forward Marcos Madonna or fast long guy with boxing skills Amir Khan. Floyd still cherrypicked Madonna despite Khan winning the poll.

With that final fight, Floyd could have shown he was going out taking risks and fighting the best. He could have taken on Spence, Thurman, Garcia, Porter himself but true to his cherrypicking self he calls Andre Berto a raked thru the coals c fighter.

You need to sell Thurman as this broken down jalopy Manny was fighting when the reality is the fight was super competitive, Manny beat him, and Floyd didn't want any smoke with him.

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Ok and your boy Floyd, had a poll asking the public to choose his next opponent. Slow flat footed short armed come forward Marcos Madonna or fast long guy with boxing skills Amir Khan. Floyd still cherrypicked Madonna despite Khan winning the poll.

With that final fight, Floyd could have shown he was going out taking risks and fighting the best. He could have taken on Spence, Thurman, Garcia, Porter himself but true to his cherrypicking self he calls Andre Berto a raked thru the coals c fighter.

You need to sell Thurman as this broken down jalopy Manny was fighting when the reality is the fight was super competitive, Manny beat him, and Floyd didn't want any smoke with him.

You start by agreeing with the point and article, then try and dirty Floyd as a diversion then finish with an excuse that goes back to the start of saying Thurman was A1 lol.

You guys ooooze female hormones whenever your dead in the water, Thurman was a shell and cherry picked thats the hard truth, and in the process he avoided the way more dangerous Spence, lets just say it was one of Mannys political victories where he can BS all he wants and his fans swallow it like their last feed its easy to kill you guys with facts about Manny that you cant address, your answer is to attack Mayweather lol.

And I wouldnt be bragging about final fights just yet as Manny is considering some doozies like McTap a Floyd leftover.

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You start by agreeing with the point and article, then try and dirty Floyd as a diversion then finish with an excuse that goes back to the start of saying Thurman was A1 lol.

You guys ooooze female hormones whenever your dead in the water, Thurman was a shell and cherry picked thats the hard truth, and in the process he avoided the way more dangerous Spence, lets just say it was one of Mannys political victories where he can BS all he wants and his fans swallow it like their last feed its easy to kill you guys with facts about Manny that you cant address, your answer is to attack Mayweather lol.

And I wouldnt be bragging about final fights just yet as Manny is considering some doozies like McTap a Floyd leftover.

You are calling Manny a cherrypicker, when Floyd is an even bigger one.
Say whatever helps you sleep, but 40 yr old Manny beat prime Thurman THE man at ww at that time, held two belts to Spence's 1, while Floyd clearly ducked his call out, went ahead and fought another raked thru the coals guy in Andre Berto. A guy nobody cared about at all, and the numbers support that. Manny gets that off and you guys ran out of excuses.

To top it all off, when ppl asked Floyd about fighting Spence he always deflected to Thurman ducking Spence. Totally dodging the question. The real is Floyd would rather be pals with Spence than fight him. Thurman was calling Floyd out, as he rightfully should have been. Thurman was Floyd's WBC mandatory, and Spence was nobody. Floyd bait and switch didn't go unnoticed.