Can we talk about British fighters and their "tactics"

[Earl-Hickey]

Say for instance recently we had Callum Smith vs Canelo.

It's the biggest fight of your life, and you are callum Smith, other than the biggest problem you have in front of you which is, you are callum Smith, obviously you have to come up with some sort of tactical gameplan to try and win the fight, yes?

Because if you just go in there and do what you always do, there's only going to be one result.

So what does Callum Smith do? Same thing he always does and gets deep vein thrombosis beaten into his arm.

Same way was with luke Campbell the other night.

Point is upsets by British fighters are very rare, they win the fights they are meant to win, lose the ones they are meant to lose, any fight with a British fighter is usually gonna be very predictable.

I think this again comes down to British trainers and coaches having little to no creativity, it's the same exact gameplan all the time, straight out of "boxing for dummies"

Case in point Ben Davidson in the fury Wilder 1 getting fury to box on the back foot as though that was the only possible way, and as a result giving Wilder loads of chances to land his right hand from distance.

Freddie roach came up with the idea "hey Ben you know our guy is like 50lbs bigger than old stick legs maybe we should crowd him and make him feel it" and Ben was like oh no no Freddie what are you thinking, this is the only way.

And then in the next fight Fury ditched Davidson and won easily using the exact strategy Freddie had mentioned.

[PredatorStyle]

I think you nailed it.

[lopetego]

I remember Callum Smith criticizing Rocky Fielding for not using his superior reach and height to beat Canelo and letting ginger get inside too easily

¨when you fight someone of that size you have to really make them work to get inside¨

then he fights ginger and ends up doing the same shiet as Fielding smh

[Apollo7]

Callum Smith was outclassed and didn't have the heart and right mentality. There are levels in boxing. Why didn't Lacy change tactics against Calzaghe? Not every boxer is versatile and able to adapt, Fury is. It's not because Davison is British, he's just a defensive style of coach. There was nothing wrong with the tactics, he just got caught with a good shot. Plus he won that fight and was robbed. Fury learned something after that KD and adapted. Just like Ward did against Kovalev. Froch adapted against Groves. Joshua changed strategy for Ruiz 2.

It's a bit simplistic to cherry pick a fight where a Brit loses and claim it's because he or his coach are British. Where were Wilder's tactics against Fury or Porter's against Brook?

[Toffee]

Very simplistic to say Smith should have done something different.

He would have spent weeks preparing for Canelo. He would have had a plan that he and his team felt could target some weakness in Canelo's game.

Then you get in the ring with the guy and it's a different story. Canelo is just that good. He takes the fight away from you.

You can criticise Fury against Wilder under Davidson. What about the Klitschko fight? That was a huge underdog win. No Freddie Roach there. Tactics ok then?

The story that, typically, favourites win isn't something specific to Brits. It's worldwide. I thought Campell really gave Garcia problems but ultimately it went the way the bookies thought. More significantly it went the way the matchmakers thought when they agreed to the fight.

There are guys on here who act like it's surprising that people don't cause shocks more often. Well they wouldn't really be shocks if they happened all the time would they?

[Mindgames]

Say for instance recently we had Callum Smith vs Canelo.

It's the biggest fight of your life, and you are callum Smith, other than the biggest problem you have in front of you which is, you are callum Smith, obviously you have to come up with some sort of tactical gameplan to try and win the fight, yes?

Because if you just go in there and do what you always do, there's only going to be one result.

So what does Callum Smith do? Same thing he always does and gets deep vein thrombosis beaten into his arm.

Same way was with luke Campbell the other night.

Point is upsets by British fighters are very rare, they win the fights they are meant to win, lose the ones they are meant to lose, any fight with a British fighter is usually gonna be very predictable.

I think this again comes down to British trainers and coaches having little to no creativity, it's the same exact gameplan all the time, straight out of "boxing for dummies"

Case in point Ben Davidson in the fury Wilder 1 getting fury to box on the back foot as though that was the only possible way, and as a result giving Wilder loads of chances to land his right hand from distance.

Freddie roach came up with the idea "hey Ben you know our guy is like 50lbs bigger than old stick legs maybe we should crowd him and make him feel it" and Ben was like oh no no Freddie what are you thinking, this is the only way.

And then in the next fight Fury ditched Davidson and won easily using the exact strategy Freddie had mentioned.

I think in the cases of Campbell and Smith,they were just guys who knew they wouldnt do well in a trade off so they sat back waiting for their moment.In the case of Fury ,Fury ,hes more of a boxer,but I dont think he realised just how fragile Deontay was until he was forced to get hes respect after being badly knocked down in the 12th .I think the level of fighter an Eddie Hearn guys gets to learn hes skills on coming up are alot lower than a kid trying to make a name for himself in Mexico for instance.UK fighter are really raised to build a good looking record rather than learn anything that will help them later.

[soul_survivor]

But clearly this doesn't apply to all British fighters. Calzaghe, Froch, Hatton, Khan, now AJ and Fury have all had successful careers and beaten some of the best fighters in their divisions. IMO Calzaghe goes down as one of the greatest fighters of the 21st century.

What you're highlighting is mid to contender level fighters and making it out as if this correlates to all British fighters. Pretty ****** post Earl-Hickey but then again you are a ******

[rickJen]

Moral lesson of the story in most cases is when you let the opponent
bully you instead of the other way around, it's pretty much a losing battle.
I thought Derevyanchenko won in his fight with GGG because that's
exactly the game plan.
I remember Roach telling Cotto not to let Canelo make him fight on the backfoot,
"He's too powerful when you let him!"
But it's easier said than done in some cases.

[*Makaveli*]

Say for instance recently we had Callum Smith vs Canelo.

It's the biggest fight of your life, and you are callum Smith, other than the biggest problem you have in front of you which is, you are callum Smith, obviously you have to come up with some sort of tactical gameplan to try and win the fight, yes?

Because if you just go in there and do what you always do, there's only going to be one result.

So what does Callum Smith do? Same thing he always does and gets deep vein thrombosis beaten into his arm.

Same way was with luke Campbell the other night.

Point is upsets by British fighters are very rare, they win the fights they are meant to win, lose the ones they are meant to lose, any fight with a British fighter is usually gonna be very predictable.

I think this again comes down to British trainers and coaches having little to no creativity, it's the same exact gameplan all the time, straight out of "boxing for dummies"

Case in point Ben Davidson in the fury Wilder 1 getting fury to box on the back foot as though that was the only possible way, and as a result giving Wilder loads of chances to land his right hand from distance.

Freddie roach came up with the idea "hey Ben you know our guy is like 50lbs bigger than old stick legs maybe we should crowd him and make him feel it" and Ben was like oh no no Freddie what are you thinking, this is the only way.

And then in the next fight Fury ditched Davidson and won easily using the exact strategy Freddie had mentioned.

Can we talk about dumb Americans having nationalist pissing contests with equally dumb brits.
Britain has some world class boxers and some **** boxers just like everywhere else .
Theres plenty of **** American boxers right now and a few good ones.
Does it matter ?
Its almost as tiring as the dumb twats and their race superiority crap