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Who exactly?
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John Fury (father)
Hugh Fury (uncle)
Peter Fury (uncle)
Hughie Fury (cousin)
Nathan Gorman (cousin)
Andy Lee (cousin)
Hosea Burton (cousin)
Uriah Burton (cousin)
Bartley Gorman (cousin)
Tommy Fury (brother)
Mostly cousins rather than ancestors it seems -
I’ve never really researched it but I know his dad fought and he’s some relation to Bartley Gorman who’s fighting ancestry supposedly goes back 300 years. That’s only the peripherals though, I’ve never really looked into it. Whilst there’s obviously some truth to it, there may also be some distortion as the Gypsy organised fighting is pretty secretive due to the illegality of it.Comment
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Bartley Gorman is his cousins grandfather, is that still considered cousin?. So to the OP, Bartley Gorman is well respected king of the gypsies in his time, tough as old boots fighting man you can tell just by looking at him. Gypsies consider their lineage and heritage like rich folk with a family coat of arms do. So I'm sure they're many more specifics but a video on YouTube Bartley Gorman ranks and lists his fighting ancestry and fury is part of that bloodline. Any UK resident knows the gypsies are known for fighting, simple asComment
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It doesn't have to be secretive as nobody bothers them, they camp in the same spots year after year, and only told to move on, until people start complaining about missing chickens and small livestock. There was a gypsy encampment ground close to my late brothers' very expensive house was. They returned yearly for at least 20 years that I know of, and it was a fairly ancient gypsy place long before that, a wide grassy roadside, semi country, and not building land.Comment
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I've been a bit pressed for time recently so I've found it difficult to really get down the rabbit hole so to speak and was hoping someone already knew the family history. I'm not trying to contest Fury's lineage in anyway. Just want to learn about the mysterious boxing history alluded to so often.
famicommander - That's super useful actually, four of the cousins I did not know were cousins.
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Tbf every gypsy is pretty much from a line of fighting men! All the males group doing it, but I suppose he means his ancestors were successful and well know, former king of the gypsy typesComment
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Anything based on oral history is certainly not "history" but folk tales. MY late Uncle was a Carnival boxer in his youth, and formed a lifelong (died age 96)friendship with a travelling "carnival" basically an extended family of gypsies. He would periodically leave his wife and family, (2 doctor sons) and travel around with them for a few months. They called themselves "Travellers". So I know a bit about them. Their fights were rare, and sparsely attended. Their animosities were few, and their activities, except for local chickens and small livestock, were ignored by the police.
This was in Ireland. About English Gypsies I know nothing, perhaps the police are more attentive there. But I know the Fury's are Irish, Tyson represented Ireland several times in international competitions. There are misty bonds between Ireland and England, which, at times seem interchangeable. Ireland, for very many years was ruled by England, and had little future for workers who in droves would always go to England to work, often coming home for holidays and etc, sometimes settling permanently in England. It was only a less than 2 hour trip by boat from Dun Laoghaire (once called Kingstown). just 7 miles from Dublin.
Some of the most famous Englishmen, especially in the military, were actually Irishmen. Over half of Wellington's Army was Irish, and he himself came from an Irish family. English "Landed Gentry" who'd settled n Ireland hundreds of years earlier, called "Anglo-Irish". He grew up in Ireland, until sent away to England to school. Many of the Boer War Generals and senior officers were Irish, and so on and on.....
That's all by the way...I just happen to be interested n history so forget the foregoing.Comment
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