Comments Thread For: BoxingScene.com's 2020 Upset of The Year: Rosario Stops Williams

[YoungManRumble]

Actually, a 30-1 underdog.

Where though? I always see these blown up hindsight odds. But looking at this archive and based on google searches of promotional ******** odds articles, I was seeing +1000 around the top end.

[Scopedog]

Helenium v Kownacki was bigger for me. The odds were long on Rosario but that was mostly because he was a relative unknown. With Helenius, we’d seen him consistently fail to perform at a high level for many years in addition to us knowing that he was a long way past his sell-by-date. I never would have thought that he’d be competitive, let alone actually win. In retrospect it seems kind of obvious that anyone with a decent enough chin and a big punch would have what it takes to beat Kownacki, but it didn’t seem like that ahead of the fight.

[786]

So the boxing media either knew they were bullshhtting with their over the top Loma hype which is why they're suddenly acting like his loss to Lopez is no big deal or they're embarrassed about being so desperately wrong that they're now trying to undermine Lopez' win.

I get that some picked Lopez to win or had money on it but the media made their mind up as soon as the fight was signed, it was a forgone conclusion that Loma would win long before the first bell.

'We still don't know how good Lopez is, he's too green, too inexperienced, he'll learn from this etc etc..' was the narrative before the fight. At the same time, 'Loma's P4P #1, he might be unbeatable, perhaps the greatest talent in the history of the sport blah blah blah...'

They can't now downplay it as if it's no big deal.

Loma achieved a lot in a short time as a pro, he was definitely up there in the P4P discussion but the media (and parts of his fanbase) overhyped him to ridiculously unrealistic levels and when someone beats him, they act like it's no big deal.

It doesn't bother me if you think another fight was a bigger upset, I'm just disappointed that a lot of the same boxing media that overhyped Loma and didn't give Lopez a shot are hardly mentioning this fight in their end of year wrap up articles and when they do, they downplay it as if it was a minor footnote of 2020.

[Scopedog]

People are exaggerating what was said about Loma ahead of the Lopez fight in this thread. Yes, Loma was the favourite, and rightly so given the run of form he'd been on, but aside from complete brainlets most people at least recognised that Lopez was a live opponent who posed a lot of challenges. If people really didn't think Lopez had a chance, the fight wouldn't have been as heavily anticipated as it was. To me "upset of the year" is an outcome that most people couldn't even conceive off, much less foresee. It's a champion or contender getting derailed by a routine, seemingly low-risk opponent, not losing to one of the top fighters in their division in a unification fight.

[Robi13]

Teofimo wasn't as much of an underdog as you think. The odds say so, and the many people here, including me, who said so before rhe fight knew what was up.

Teofimo vs Lopez was a championship unification, Williams vs Rosario was a homecoming match. It was meant to be one of those showcase fights in front of the home crowd.

That's way more of an upset than a champion beating another champion in a unification fight.

How many people thought Rosario would win compared to the number of people who thought Teo would win?

Be honest.

More people gave teo a bigger chance... but that speaks to teofimo as well. Be honest, who was ranked better in a p4p sense Loma or charlo?

[TheMyspaceDayz]

Teo was a 3 or 4 to 1 underdog depending on your bookie. It was a memorable upset but by no means was that upset of the year. Wasn’t in the top 3 even if you’re a skilled spin doctor. Rosario was a 30 to 1 underdog for some reason. I remember being called an idiot for merely suggesting it would be a good fight and that there might be an upset.

[The Big Dunn]

How is Teofimo vs Lomachenko not the Upset of The Year?

I was going to say same but TBH I had completely forgot about this fight. A lot happened since then LOL.

[The Big Dunn]

Teo was a 3 or 4 to 1 underdog depending on your bookie. It was a memorable upset but by no means was that upset of the year. Wasn’t in the top 3 even if you’re a skilled spin doctor. Rosario was a 30 to 1 underdog for some reason. I remember being called an idiot for merely suggesting it would be a good fight and that there might be an upset.

wasn't Teo like a 7-1 underdog?

[TheMyspaceDayz]

wasn't Teo like a 7-1 underdog?

7-1 for knockout at some bookies. For me it was 5 to 1. I know because that’s where I lost my money. Didn’t think a decision was in the cards

[TheMyspaceDayz]

Helenium v Kownacki was bigger for me. The odds were long on Rosario but that was mostly because he was a relative unknown. With Helenius, we’d seen him consistently fail to perform at a high level for many years in addition to us knowing that he was a long way past his sell-by-date. I never would have thought that he’d be competitive, let alone actually win. In retrospect it seems kind of obvious that anyone with a decent enough chin and a big punch would have what it takes to beat Kownacki, but it didn’t seem like that ahead of the fight.

Going to self promote here. I was one of two people on this entire forum who picked Helenius. The other guy was from Helenius’ home town so that doesn’t count lol. Saw that coming and made like $1,300.

Crazy thing is I made nearly the exact same amount 6 hours earlier by picking Jono Carroll to stop Scott Quigg in rounds 11 or 12.

If I parlayed that I’d have earned some insane amount.