Karlos Balderas no longer with Schaffer

[ShoulderRoll]

i think haymon did a great job developing spence. caleb plant is on the verge. plus there are a lot of young fighters there. but oscar has a good pipeline. you have to give him credit for how he always bounces back.

Spence and Caleb Plant appeared on Golden Boy undercards so they don't count as having been developed only under Al Haymon.

[2ndroundko]

Spence and Caleb Plant appeared on Golden Boy undercards so they don't count as having been developed only under Al Haymon.

nah they do. they werent gbp fighters so gbp had no say in who they fought.

[ShoulderRoll]

nah they do. they werent gbp fighters so gbp had no say in who they fought.

My argument is that Oscar has proven he can develop stars with no ties to Schaeffer and Haymon...while Schaefer and Haymon haven't proven they can develop stars with no ties to Oscar.

Gervonta Davis being the only exception.

Spence and Plant have ties to Oscar so, again, they don't count.

[2ndroundko]

My argument is that Oscar has proven he can develop stars with no ties to Schaeffer and Haymon...while Schaefer and Haymon haven't proven they can develop stars with no ties to Oscar.

Gervonta Davis being the only exception.

Spence and Plant have ties to Oscar so, again, they don't count.

nah they count because you have to choose their opponents, not oscar. that’s developing a fighter. getting them on the card was easy since they had a pipeline but developing fighter is about having a plan. oscar wasnt involved in any development.

[ShoulderRoll]

nah they count because you have to choose their opponents, not oscar. that’s developing a fighter. getting them on the card was easy since they had a pipeline but developing fighter is about having a plan. oscar wasnt involved in any development.

They don't count according to the terms I laid out. If you want to change requirements thats up to you.

[2ndroundko]

They don't count according to the terms I laid out. If you want to change requirements thats up to you.

your terms arent the end all be all. we’re discussing developing a fighter and oscar didnt have anything to do with that when it came to spence or plant (or a lot of other fighters for that matter). he wasnt choosing the opponents, mapping out a plan, nothing. it is what it is

[Curt Henning]

your terms arent the end all be all. we’re discussing developing a fighter and oscar didnt have anything to do with that when it came to spence or plant (or a lot of other fighters for that matter). he wasnt choosing the opponents, mapping out a plan, nothing. it is what it is

i tried to explain this to him but i think theres a steel plate in his dome...

also he still doesnt understand the idea that haymon has to devote alot more money, time, cards etc to established roster of big names/stars.....whereas oscar has had more resources to put towards ryan and vergil(who are still not stars btw).....you see what haymon can do when he puts the effort(tank) but he cant devote a ton of resources to the younger guys yet...i already listed off(earlier in the post) a bunch of young talent haymon has ...he just hasnt pushed them yet the way oscar has with his young guys....and ive stated the obvious reasons...after canelo GB didnt have a ton of guys that needed alot of attention and resources....its simple

shoulder roll knows hes wrong and that ive spelled it out for him....but hes stubborn and this is the internet...if we were face to face he would agree with me...since its the net and he doesnt have to look anyone in the eye he can ramble on with his pointless point and stick to it..he still doesnt understand that all those guys that were with GB were working with schaeffer/al and not oscar lol

[Curt Henning]

They don't count according to the terms I laid out. If you want to change requirements thats up to you.

how long are you going to be this stubborn? i mean...its like damn..."im not wrong technically..my mom told me im smart and a winner so i cant be wrong"....give it up guy....try reality....i know you arent really this dumb....

[ShoulderRoll]

your terms arent the end all be all. we’re discussing developing a fighter and oscar didnt have anything to do with that when it came to spence or plant (or a lot of other fighters for that matter). he wasnt choosing the opponents, mapping out a plan, nothing. it is what it is

how long are you going to be this stubborn? i mean...its like damn..."im not wrong technically..my mom told me im smart and a winner so i cant be wrong"....give it up guy....try reality....i know you arent really this dumb....

I specified what I believe.

Oscar can develop stars with no ties to Haymon or Schaeffer. Haymon or Schaeffer haven't proven that they can develop stars with no ties to Oscar (with the exception of Gervonta Davis.)

If you can prove me wrong then do so. Otherwise just accept that I'm right.

[Curt Henning]

I specified what I believe.

Oscar can develop stars with no ties to Haymon or Schaeffer. Haymon or Schaeffer haven't proven that they can develop stars with no ties to Oscar (with the exception of Gervonta Davis.)

If you can prove me wrong then do so. Otherwise just accept that I'm right.

you arent right and you know it...thats why you keep resorting to "by my terms"

are garcia and vergil stars yet? hmmm? what he has is a couple of high level prospects.....but even if we consider them stars they are probably no better than tank level...whom al has developed...on top of the rest of als roster which is stacked with names....lol

by any terms you are wrong as soon as you accept that oscar had basically no role in developing danny, spence, wilder etc etc....

deep down in that feeble brain you know you would not say this same **** to me face to face....youre hiding behind the keyboard(and im not even on toughguy BS here)...what i mean is you couldnt look another man in the eye knowing that you dont even believe what youre saying.....