Does Ryan G. give you Victor Ortiz vibes?

[Ochoa780]

I disagree, Khan seemed far more skilled, he just had no punch resistance and a glass chin.

I think it's kinda the opposite. Khan had ridiculous talent but he never really acquired any ring IQ or manageable defense.

Dude had decent pop and literally hand speed to spare but he never really built on that.

Garcia seems to be building gradually but he holds his chin extremely high, watching the fight I was literally just waiting for the moment where he got touched on the chin.

[-Kev-]

So would you say Campbell is a better win or loss than maidana? Idk about that. Maidana may not have won a medal on the argentinians team but dude has much more of a pro style.

Maidana made a damn good name for himself after that stoppage against ortiz. He was never an easy fight for anyone except that dud against alexander in his first move to 47

Well like you said, Maidana won. If Ortiz won that fight, different story. Idk what else to say other than Garcia’s win over Campbell is better than Ortiz’s loss to Maidana. Ortiz lost. If you are asking who has had the better pro career, in hindsight it’s clearly Maidana. Maidana has had a better career than a lot of pro boxers of his era.

Ryan Garcia’s critics are comparing him to Victor Ortiz and Amir Khan. Ortiz lost his first step up fight vs The Ring’s JWW #8 ranked Marcos Maidana. Amir Khan had been dropped 3 times to Rachid Drizlane, Michael Gomez, and Willie Limond, three unknown fighters/journeymen level, before being completely destroyed by Breidis Prescott.

Ortiz lost each and everyone one of his fights vs top 10 fighters barring Andre Berto and the draw to Lamont Peterson. Ortiz even lost to Josesito Lopez, a hardworking, tough, rugged but journeyman level fighter.

I think it’s very unfair to compare Ryan Garcia to those two just because he was dropped for the first time in his career vs a guy with 16 KO’s in 20 wins and an Olympic Gold medal. The guys that dropped Khan before his infamous TKO loss to Breidis, would be like Jason Velez or Francisco Fonseca dropping Ryan.

[Ochoa780]

Well like you said, Maidana won. If Ortiz won that fight, different story. Idk what else to say other than Garcia’s win over Campbell is better than Ortiz’s loss to Maidana. Ortiz lost. If you are asking who has had the better pro career, in hindsight it’s clearly Maidana. Maidana has had a better career than a lot of pro boxers of his era.

Ryan Garcia’s critics are comparing him to Victor Ortiz and Amir Khan. Ortiz lost his first step up fight vs The Ring’s JWW #8 ranked Marcos Maidana. Amir Khan had been dropped 3 times to Rachid Drizlane, Michael Gomez, and Willie Limond, three unknown fighters/journeymen level, before being completely destroyed by Breidis Prescott.

Ortiz lost each and everyone one of his fights vs top 10 fighters barring Andre Berto and the draw to Lamont Peterson. Ortiz even lost to Josesito Lopez, a hardworking, tough, rugged but journeyman level fighter.

I think it’s very unfair to compare Ryan Garcia to those two just because he was dropped for the first time in his career vs a guy with 16 KO’s in 20 wins and an Olympic Gold medal. The guys that dropped Khan before his infamous TKO loss to Breidis, would be like Jason Velez or Francisco Fonseca dropping Ryan.

Yea you answered what I meant In your second paragraph.

But regardless of rankings I think the whole #8 ranking wasnt indicative of how tough a fight maidana was for anyone at 140. But I get what you're saying.

[Beercules]

Sometimes but the kid has a very solid team around him.

[-Kev-]

Another way you can look at it is imagine if NSB was around in 1996-1999 when Pacquiao was stopped by Torrecampo and Sangsurat. Imagine everyone saying things like, “as soon as he steps up to higher levels, he’s done.” “He needs to stay away from Morales, MAB, JMM, Marquez, Chris John, Hamed, etc.” “Pacquiao isn’t going to amount to anything with that chin”. If you say those things now, in hindsight, you would look like you’re completely clueless about boxing and can’t tell what good skills/great potential is when you see it.

I think many fans write off boxers too quickly, especially those who step up and want to fight the best. And especially in the internet age.

You have 33 year old Andrade, who in the only fight where he stepped up vs Vanes, he was knocked down with a hard left hook. Yet he is the boogeyman of GGG, Canelo, Charlo, Saunders, etc. They treat Andrade like he is some great veteran who’s been tested at the top level. When in reality the 22 year old Ryan Garcia actually already has an equal resume to Andrade. But no one is comparing Andrade to Victor Ortiz or Amir Khan.

Maybe Ryan should just stick to fighting bums, looking spectacular, so that fans can get hyped up about him and make him the boogeyman of 135-140.

[Stuntman Mike]

Not victor ortiz but maybe more Ivan Drago from Rocky LOL. The kid did good. He’s got work to do though. He gets hit too much. More defense and please teach that boy foot work.

Everyone keeps going on about his bad footwork but he is good at cutting off the ring

[Richard Hamilton]

No he doesn't

[KillaMane26]

No.... He literally just showed that he had heart...

****** ass question

[Beercules]

Another way you can look at it is imagine if NSB was around in 1996-1999 when Pacquiao was stopped by Torrecampo and Sangsurat. Imagine everyone saying things like, “as soon as he steps up to higher levels, he’s done.” “He needs to stay away from Morales, MAB, JMM, Marquez, Chris John, Hamed, etc.” “Pacquiao isn’t going to amount to anything with that chin”. If you say those things now, in hindsight, you would look like you’re completely clueless about boxing and can’t tell what good skills/great potential is when you see it.

I think many fans write off boxers too quickly, especially those who step up and want to fight the best. And especially in the internet age.

You have 33 year old Andrade, who in the only fight where he stepped up vs Vanes, he was knocked down with a hard left hook. Yet he is the boogeyman of GGG, Canelo, Charlo, Saunders, etc. They treat Andrade like he is some great veteran who’s been tested at the top level. When in reality the 22 year old Ryan Garcia actually already has an equal resume to Andrade. But no one is comparing Andrade to Victor Ortiz or Amir Khan.

Maybe Ryan should just stick to fighting bums, looking spectacular, so that fans can get hyped up about him and make him the boogeyman of 135-140.

I take it you aren't a fan


The kid is very annoying but he brings eyes to the sport.


I think Tank, Loma or Lopez beat him up.


Haney is a good fight I would like to see

[Beercules]

No.... He literally just showed that he had heart...

****** ass question

That was a big question I had about him.