Eye Test

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Another factor is the willingness of those with supposedly equal or better skills to actually get in the ring with you.

If you have what appears to be A-level talent and the proven A-level talents won't fight you, then all you can do is dominate C and hopefully B-level talent until you get a shot.

In the meantime, it's not really fair to call someone a bum while they are simply dominating the best available competition. You mentioned that skills only take you so far and I would add that the "who has he fought?" or "he's not a draw" excuses have their limits too.

You've been here long enough to know that some people care more about race than boxing.

Right away! Oh you must hate black people blah blah blah.

Of course! I wouldn't expect anything less from those people. Just take a look at how they see GGG.

Then listen to them talk about guys like Lara, Andrade, and Devin Haney.

They dont care about boxing. They just wanna cry wolf.

[whollisboxing]

You've been here long enough to know that some people care more about race than boxing.

Right away! Oh you must hate black people blah blah blah.

Of course! I wouldn't expect anything less from those people. Just take a look at how they see GGG.

Then listen to them talk about guys like Lara, Andrade, and Devin Haney.

They dont care about boxing. They just wanna cry wolf.

I agree that there are certainly people like that. I just focus on whoever I can actually talk boxing with.

[Toffee]

Eye test is subjective. Yes, you know a good fighter when you see them, but you can't possibly know how their skills and character will hold up at a higher level.

[Kezzer]

Why do people put such a huge emphasis on resume today, especially when most boxers don't have the power to pick their opponents? It's not Demetrius Andrade or Charlo's fault that so called p4p guys won't get in the ring with them. Why can't you just recognize talent when you see it?

Resume is hugely important. Fans are very fickle and look to much on the last fight but evidence of a quality fighter is consistency over a period of time.

Other sports (football, baseball, American football, golf - etc) teams or players can have one off bad or good performances but the best prove so over a period of time.

Boxing should be no different, anyone is entitled to a bad performance in my eyes (or can get lucky / put in a superb display equally).

It doesn’t mean you can’t recognise talent but I struggle to see the likes of Andrade, Crawford or Charlo as the best or even near it - without proving it.

I have the same view in other divisions where many people have based rankings on recent performances e.g heavyweight. I take a more balanced view rather than emphasis on only select fights.

[kidbazooka1]

Why do people put such a huge emphasis on resume today, especially when most boxers don't have the power to pick their opponents? It's not Demetrius Andrade or Charlo's fault that so called p4p guys won't get in the ring with them. Why can't you just recognize talent when you see it?

Sorry bro resume is everything if anyone says otherswise it’s because they are trying to defend a fighter they like.

If we go just off the “eye test” then Edgar Berlanga should be p4p the best right?? No debate point blank.

That’s how that sounds.

[QueensburyRules]

Why do people put such a huge emphasis on resume today, especially when most boxers don't have the power to pick their opponents? It's not Demetrius Andrade or Charlo's fault that so called p4p guys won't get in the ring with them. Why can't you just recognize talent when you see it?

- -Heck, them Sissyboys too scared to fight each other.

U like Sissyboys?

[Sparked_26]

Eye test is subjective.

Resume is objective.

Joe Joyce is objectively an Olympic Heavyweight Silver medalist and world ranked professional heavyweight.

The eye test? Surely anyone decent will knock him out.

[sicko]

Who ALT Account is this?

[boliodogs]

I do go very much by the eye test when rating how good boxers are today p4p. I do rate the Charlo brothers both very high with Jermall higher. I have seen Andrade fight many times and I don't think he belongs in my top 10 pfp boxers. I think Canelo, GGG and Jermall are all better fighters than Andrade going by the eye test.

[STREET CLEANER]

Some fighters look fantastic until they face a top tier fighter.

Having to face fiighters with better experience, chins, resilience, power, stamina, etc. will make you see what they are really made of.

Just looking good to second tier fighters is not enough to call a fighter a p4p fighter. Is who you beat and how you beat them.