Why hasn't anyone complained about this?

[Bain01D]

I heard Al had plans to actually not recognize any of the belts and just have 1 PBC belt. This is what he needs to do if boxing is to have any respect. But then enforce the mandatories and strip people.

Agree the WBC belt is no 1 but think Suleiman is doing all he can to sabotage it with Bridgerweights and diamond belts etc

[TernceBudCharlo]

You even see scenarios where someone who is very highly regarded in another organisation need to cross over to be legitimate.

Good example is Ben Askren, there was a massive clamour for him to sign with the UFC and even the politics of his feud with Dayna didn’t get in the way

He then gets exposed when against the top level competition

For sure, there wouldn't be any ducking if that happened here.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Agree the WBC belt is no 1 but think Suleiman is doing all he can to sabotage it with Bridgerweights and diamond belts etc

Yup. Sometimes it's bull**** sometimes it's legit. Tracing the lineage of WBC is most legit at a lot of divisions, light heavyweight for example Beterbiev won the WBC from Gvozdyk who won from Stevenson who won from Dawson. All those guys were legit.

But, 1 belt would be best.

[Motorcity Cobra]

I mentioned something last night

I missed. You were one of the few. It's usually a topic of discussion for days when they do it to Bud

[-Kev-]

One area Boxing could learn from MMA and the ufc

I agree with you but boxing did that. That is how it started. UFC is fairly new in the grand scheme of things. It started in 1993. Boxing has been around for over a century. If we go back in time to when rules were applied, like the Queensbury rules, we are talking 1800s. Even if you cut it off at 1920 or whenever it was that 15 rounders were finally applied, that’s still 100 years.

So with that said, boxing already did what the UFC is being praised for.

Now again, I will agree with you that boxing needs to go back to 1 champion per weight class. But I will not say that they need to learn from UFC, when they are the originators of championship prizefighting and went through the phase UFC is going through now.

You have to give UFC a whole century of existence and see where they’re at. For all we know they could have multiple belts per weight classes one day.

Another thing UFC has over boxing is considerably lower purses. Ranging from $5k to $2-3million at most. So fighters can’t really price themselves out of fights with massive requests like $10million dollars. UFC is going through a really fun phase right now where everything is controlled. Boxing did all that. It needs to go back to that but all these greedy organizations (WBC, IBF, WBO, WBA) and promoters care more about boxing as a business so they’re not just going to disband themselves and allow one belt and company/promoter to handle boxing like UFC handles MMA.

[-DSG-]

Pbc sucks ass

[mxtali]

PBC had so much potential though, it would be great if they didn't recognize any belts. Just 1 champion per division. Cut the catch weight bull****, cut the stipulation bull****, and make it mandatory to fight the #1 contender or you get stripped. If I was Al Haymon this is exactly what I'd do

Too bad Al payed them millions to fight non competitive fights so they second they have to fight a top guy they want an unrealistic amount that will result in a loss for the promotion.

[Bain01D]

I agree with you but boxing did that. That is how it started. UFC is fairly new in the grand scheme of things. It started in 1993. Boxing has been around for over a century. If we go back in time to when rules were applied, like the Queensbury rules, we are talking 1800s. Even if you cut it off at 1920 or whenever it was that 15 rounders were finally applied, that’s still 100 years.

So with that said, boxing already did what the UFC is being praised for.

Now again, I will agree with you that boxing needs to go back to 1 champion per weight class. But I will not say that they need to learn from UFC, when they are the originators of championship prizefighting and went through the phase UFC is going through now.

You have to give UFC a whole century of existence and see where they’re at. For all we know they could have multiple belts per weight classes one day.

Another thing UFC has over boxing is considerably lower purses. Ranging from $5k to $2-3million at most. So fighters can’t really price themselves out of fights with massive requests like $10million dollars. UFC is going through a really fun phase right now where everything is controlled. Boxing did all that. It needs to go back to that but all these greedy organizations (WBC, IBF, WBO, WBA) and promoters care more about boxing as a business so they’re not just going to disband themselves and allow one belt and company/promoter to handle boxing like UFC handles MMA.

That’s a fair shout in terms of boxing WAS like that and the various organisations/belts came over the years

Who knows where MMA will be in a few years with various big organisations

So yeah not necessarily learn from them, but maybe a reminder what once was

[_Rexy_]

I never noticed.

[edgarg]

To be fair, I doubt I'm the only fan who doesn't give a piss about the WBO.

I don't give a **** about the Larry belt either.

The computer/boxrec belt is easily the worst, glad they're not yet pushing it as a major despite Joshua's efforts.


The WBC is the real org and the WBA is their real rival. The IBF and WBO are just splinters of the WBA riding the coattails of boxing to "legitimize" themselves but the truth is you're either Coke or your Pepsi, ain't no one got time for RC bull****. You're either Disney or Dreamworks or **** you. WBO and IBF ain't ****, idgaf who says they are.


Dig this, Jack Johnson is the first HW champion to receive a belt not made by fans or a newspaper or promoter but rather a body that's sole purpose was to keep **** fair because fans, newspapers, and promoters suck at that. His belt today is represented by the WBC. As in had he won it in 2020 the IBU(who gave him the belt) is now the EBU and the EBU recognizes the WBC as their world entity. Not no ****ing WBO/IBF bull****.

Jack Dempsey is the first WBA champion back when they were the NBA. Since then they changed their name and had two different orgs splinter from them but Jack Dempsey's belt is represented by the modern WBA.

At least the IBF has Larry, but, from Dempsey forward the WBA champions are too great for Larry and the rest of the IBF. Double for the WBC who not only reps Jack Johnson on forward but also Sam Langford, George Godfrey, and Peter Jackson under the NSC/IBU banners. Way too great to give a **** about ****ing Wlad to now or Larry to now.

So, I give a **** about the WBC and WBA. Those are the belts that represent the great champions in history. Rocky Marciano knows nothing about no ****ing IBF or WBO belt.

You're right about Marciano and the belts. But the same could be said for all the other Champs too. But Rocky know a hell of a lot about money even if he knew very little about boxing.......!!

By the way...who is/was Larry??