Comments Thread For: Hearn: Arum, Absolutely No One Wants To Give Anthony Joshua Any Credit

[Bronx2245]

Sky sports fans ? Whyte...lol BT fans I suppose Fury but if you add both Whyte and Fury fans it wouldn’t add up to Joshua fans. Who has more fans over in the states Fury or Joshua not that it makes the slightest bit of difference to me I’m just curious ��

Definitely Fury! You know Americans love the circus! We elected a clown in 2016!

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Really?? Wilder won over 37 times and by vicious knock out just how you Americans love it yet he has no fans. I don’t recall him travelling abroad so all his wins were on American soil. Why is Fury much better known than him? Has to be more than what you are suggesting

Thats not true at all, it's just something thats said on these forums.

If you look at their previous fights, Wilders gate earned over 4 million, Furys gate earned less than 900k. Wilder got somewhere around 250k views PPV. ESPN wouldn't even report views for Furys fight on there app. It was also reported that ESPN lost money on Furys fights.
Wilder had the highest viewership of any fighter on showtime, and he averaged over 2 million views on CBS/Fox.

So yeah its a lie, but a lot of people on these forums feel good when they say it, so it gets repeated.

Having said that, PBC's intentions were never to make Wilder or any of their fighters PPV stars. The focus was always to make big money putting huge fights on regular network TV and relying on add revenue. That obviously doesn't allow Wilder to be as big PPV wise as he should be, and in hind site was probably a terrible idea or naive at best. PBC is only now going PPV because promoters like Arum still hold to the PPV model for big fights. I would say Haymon is rather reluctant to go PPV, even though he has been forced recently to make up for revenue, as in Spence vs Garcia.

So I'd concede Wilder is not as big a name as he should/could be, but absolutely a bigger name than Fury in America.

[Jkp]

No one gives Fury or Wilder a stick for fighting garbages all through their career. It is Joshua who tries to fight at least top 10 HW in a terrible era that gets all the sticks. What a shame!

Wilder took on #1 guy, Fury. Twice


AJ still hasn't fought #1 or #2 in the division. He's a Paper champ until he beats the #1 guy.

[Ry92]

Truthfully ruiz id rather match up against wilder with winner facing say povetkin vs usyk (make usyk feel good for step aside n similar size so usyk handles ppl there size) match ortiz vs?whyte with winner facing parker vs joyce winner this would clear up a true contendender mandatory n keep ppl busy n make boxing fun while aj vs fury 2 fights. Throw hughie fury n flip hrgovic in the tournament as ppl to step in barring injuries. Aj a legit fighter gets massive credits showing multi facet fighter unlike wilder who shows zero ability to learn. First ortiz fight youd think work on learning basic boxing to?add to game nope. After first fight did learn anything nope 2nd ortiz fight lost every sec of fight until ortiz age. N mixture of so far up on cards got caught up n started slipping. Yet did it look like wilder went to gym n work on boxing. again no for 2nd fury fight same wilder weak pawing jab and right hand that only cracks from a distance. By this time fury who like alot ppl scene the flaws n was like ima my size get close keep coming foward he has no inside game n cant fight of back foot has weak jab no combos n only can throw right hand if at proper distance. So being we seen aj n fury grow as fighters give em credit cause they could be like wilder n show zero learning ability even in scares or defeat

[Noelanthony]

Thats not true at all, it's just something thats said on these forums.

If you look at their previous fights, Wilders gate earned over 4 million, Furys gate earned less than 900k. Wilder got somewhere around 250k views PPV. ESPN wouldn't even report views for Furys fight on there app. It was also reported that ESPN lost money on Furys fights.
Wilder had the highest viewership of any fighter on showtime, and he averaged over 2 million views on CBS/Fox.

So yeah its a lie, but a lot of people on these forums feel good when they say it, so it gets repeated.

Having said that, PBC's intentions were never to make Wilder or any of their fighters PPV stars. The focus was always to make big money putting huge fights on regular network TV and relying on add revenue. That obviously doesn't allow Wilder to be as big PPV wise as he should be, and in hind site was probably a terrible idea or naive at best. PBC is only now going PPV because promoters like Arum still hold to the PPV model for big fights. I would say Haymon is rather reluctant to go PPV, even though he has been forced recently to make up for revenue, as in Spence vs Garcia.

So I'd concede Wilder is not as big a name as he should/could be, but absolutely a bigger name than Fury in America.

I’m not arguing with that explanation. Well said

[Noelanthony]

Definitely Fury! You know Americans love the circus! We elected a clown in 2016!

Lololololol

[Noelanthony]

Wilder kod Audley in the UK and fought in Mexico, not that it matters. Fury won in America and AJ lost. What is Hearn asking for? A participation prize?

True true you are right. Deontay was brought over to the U.K. to be demolished. He did his thing and returned unscathed

[Ry92]

Wilder took on #1 guy, Fury. Twice


AJ still hasn't fought #1 or #2 in the division. He's a Paper champ until he beats the #1 guy.

Yes fought every other contender out there unlike wilder who only fought fury cause layoff n issues didnt expect the results got a rematch clause for that though idk if they go past a yr. So please stop cause ortiz is wilders best win n truthfully ortiz schooled wilder before the ko so point being comparing wilder n aj resume u got whyte 2x parker ruiz 2x povetkin klitschko so 6-1 vs top 10 opps with wilder 2-1-1 with 3 of those being boxing clinics put on by the opps part fury both times and ortiz in the 2nd fight. I used to be a wilder fan yet after every excuse possible for 2nd fury loss n after both ortiz fights n fury fights and as far back as spzilla cant pronounce wilder showed zero ability or want to improve. Wilder vs fury 3 fury wins id rather still see aj vs wilder cause aj improved alot but u can improve a jaw. While aint improved physically and now has zero confidence which is recipe for disaster against quality

[Max-Power]

Had another word he wants to know if you like Soccer

[Angeljuice]

Filip hrgovic
Micheal hunter
Dillian Whyte
Anthony Joshua
Tyson fury
Deontay wilder
Otto wallin
Louis Ortiz
Tony Yoka
Joe Joyce
Oleksandr Usyk
Alexander Povetkin
Joseph Parker.

I would bet my house on every single one of those guys would beat Pulev. I also rate all of them ABOVE Pulev.

Pulev best known for getting sparked by WLAD, beating a fat uninspired chisora and a cut, young in over his head Hughie fury.

Dudes nothing at all. If you think so then you crazy bro. Only thing those guys I’ve wrote above miss that Pulev has is that L To Klitschko. Don’t try telling an actual boxer about talent and levels please sir. Thankyou. And that was just 11 names I’ve fired of top of my head. Chuck in Povetkin AND Joseph Parker and that is 14 I’ve given you!! my buddy!!! Pulev should rematch Bogdan Dinu!!

WTF. You are insane, you have just listed a bunch of heavyweights, no thought put into it.

Deontay Wilder? He avoided anybody ranked above 100, fought only 4 top 20 fighters and 28 unranked or ranked below 400. He would never face Pulev, he's too highly ranked.

I'd pick through your list, but what's the point? It's obviously just all the names you could remember.