High time for Luis Ortiz to leave PBC

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I don't understand how anything you said contradicts anything I said.

This is a lie. Ortiz was with Matchroom ****ing ******.

Anyway, you're wrong regardless:

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/17744646/heavyweight-luis-ortiz-signs-matchroom-boxing

"We plan to keep him very busy and let the fans enjoy his devastating power. Luis is an avoided fighter but we plan on giving him the profile that will make that impossible." - Eddie Hearn

Luis wasn’t an avoided fighter nor needed a profile boost after his Allen or Scott win ,he was basically done with poor showings but still entitled to a Joshua fight being a mandatory .

The truth is you smoke drugs probably so schooling you on real things like most posters do is a waste of time . You think you post smart logic but there is none . The fact the majority of the forum hasn’t called you on it tells me how absurd the forum actually is. Ha

[Laligalaliga]

No one wanting to fight you is the definition of being a boogeyman...so he doesn't have the accolades obviously. I'm not sure if you are too dense to understand that.

It is much different from for example Golovkin, who claimed to be a boogeyman but was getting called out by 154, 160, and 168lber's left and right. Even a 147lb fighter moved up to fight him...a lot of people wanted a piece of him. He ducked the dangerous opponents and cherry picked the easier ones.

On the other hand, you don't see anyone calling Luis Ortiz name in the heavyweight division. Only ones to step up and fight him were Jennings and Wilder. Joshua was willing, I'll give him that, but Ortiz chose to get a rematch with Wilder on with PBC. None of these other top guys/contenders will fight him.

Lol..... Don't be ridiculous and naive at the same time. That ***** has done nothing in the HW division, all he did was fight Jennings, wilder and bums all through.

Called out by AJ with high career pay, he ducked, called out by whyte to come head a ppv event in UK but he ducked and chose to fight as an undercard in pbc event.

He has solid good fighters under his stable, guys like kowanski, martins, Ruiz, arreloa, breazeale but somehow he manages to not fight any of them. I will give it to him, he is one of the best duckers in the division.
Hez nothing but a pbc undercard tool/puppet prepared for wilder.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Idk what's going on behind the scenes but I feel like Al is doing favors for Ortiz more than Ortiz would wanna leave. He keeps getting ez fights or payday title fights.

The answer is easy and has been mentioned by a rare few here that know how coercion or persuasion works under Al.

There was a huge inconsistency/mess between Ortiz’ “refusal” for the AJ fight. I guess when Ortiz’ management starting reading headlines and understanding that Hearn did in fact GIVE HIGH PAYS one upon a time at DAZN, Team Ortiz didn’t know how to handle the pressure with money. Even the LDBC leader 78 Sports TV had said Luis Ortiz was a dumbass for refusing the AJ money. That’s because the LDBC truly believed that Ortiz could’ve dethroned AJ and thus had made Wilder the only man to beat at HW. Fury wasn’t as hyped back then. They assumed Ortiz would give AJ that work like the first Wilder fight. This way had AJ lost to Ortiz, Wilder would’ve been the only guy to have beaten Ortiz.

So what does Al do? He persuades Team Ortiz to take the Wilder rematch. It was so bad from the agreement for Ortiz that they had to make it a PPV... on top of that, Haymon had to promise Ortiz more fights on the PBC platform to make up for the DAZN offer.

When Andy Ruiz became the guy for AJ, the LDBC were really upset with Ortiz.

This is all filler matchmaking. The HW scene at PBC is bad. Ajagba was supposed to have been built for Wilder... Ronnie Shields didn’t even bother to continue with Efe they three him under the bus and left for Top Rank.

PBC have always been insecure thieves. It’s that resonating stench that Schaeffer helped build

[Ray*]

The fact that he has been around forever and never fought the other guys says it all. I mean the Pulev, Chisora, Povetkin, Haye to name a few were around his time. Now he has a lot of HW in his stable and he has fought none of them. And it’s not like those guys are active, the Breazeale, Martin, Washington, Arreola etc are not that active and he should be fighting them whilst under PBC. He wouldn’t leave because his manager J is in bed with Haymon. He was talking about the offer they turned down with AJ yesterday on sky sports and saying it was more of a confusion and he was caught in the middle, and how Ortiz was promised the Wilder rematch blah blah blah.... They made this man an undercard HW to featherweights SMDH, made him turn down 2m to fight Whyte, 7m to fight AJ.

[Marchegiano]

Luis wasn’t an avoided fighter nor needed a profile boost after his Allen or Scott win ,he was basically done with poor showings but still entitled to a Joshua fight being a mandatory .

The truth is you smoke drugs probably so schooling you on real things like most posters do is a waste of time . You think you post smart logic but there is none . The fact the majority of the forum hasn’t called you on it tells me how absurd the forum actually is. Ha

Nothing I said was Joshua specific. This thread isn't about Luis fighting Anthony. Whyte, Povetkin, Parker, Chisora, Joyce, Usyk, was the list given by OP.

I said he's signed with matchroom in the past and fought no one still. The point is I don't think who he signs with will have much effect on his resume because Matchroom has done well with Joshua and did not do well with Luis.

If you had a brain you'd realize what I'm saying is he's difficult no matter who is promoter is or who else is in their stable.


****ing idiot man.

[Rip Chudd]

Heads needed to roll when he was not informed Anthony Joshua was offering the fight he'd said he wanted for a career high pay day. They neglected to tell him about the offer and lied to Hearn and Joshua about his availability.

This^^^^^

Why even keep your team after that? It obvious they weren't looking out for him

[REDEEMER]

Nothing I said was Joshua specific. This thread isn't about Luis fighting Anthony. Whyte, Povetkin, Parker, Chisora, Joyce, Usyk, was the list given by OP.

I said he's signed with matchroom in the past and fought no one still. The point is I don't think who he signs with will have much effect on his resume because Matchroom has done well with Joshua and did not do well with Luis.

If you had a brain you'd realize what I'm saying is he's difficult no matter who is promoter is or who else is in their stable.


****ing idiot man.

So fighting actually high ranked guys won’t have an effect on his resume over in the WBC for how long has he been in those rankings ? And declining Whyte under Matchroom is who’s fault ? See, drugs ,man ,drugs....stay off them .

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Maybe, maybe not but Ortiz is dangerous enough for team AJ to low ball him and fight Ruiz instead.

Again nothing but NO facts .

LUIS ORTIZ’s manager, Jay Jimenez, has admitted his team “f**ked up” in negotiations with Anthony Joshua and begged for talks to be resumed.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/1119519/Boxing-news-Luis-Ortiz-manager-Anthony-Joshua-Eddie-Hearn-Jay-Jimenez

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I don't understand how anything you said contradicts anything I said.

This is a lie. Ortiz was with Matchroom ****ing ******.

Anyway, you're wrong regardless:

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/17744646/heavyweight-luis-ortiz-signs-matchroom-boxing

"We plan to keep him very busy and let the fans enjoy his devastating power. Luis is an avoided fighter but we plan on giving him the profile that will make that impossible." - Eddie Hearn

You seem to have a hard time grasping that the two fights given to him was to get him exposure for A.J and he terminated his contract after the second one was very difficult for him by a C level fighter . Then apparently spooked by getting a Whyte offer for his third because he high tailed it all the way back to PBC .

Drugs are bad kids .

[Marchegiano]

So fighting actually high ranked guys won’t have an effect on his resume over in the WBC for how long has he been in those rankings ? And declining Whyte under Matchroom is who’s fault ? See, drugs ,man ,drugs....stay off them .

We can all see the edit. It takes you effort to pretend to be this ******.