Comments Thread For: Manager: Joe Joyce Has Earned A World Title Shot; He's Ready For Anybody

[Ant1979]

Haye benefited from a weak era, and Holy benifited from pharmaceuticals.

Yeah but he dealt with a much better version of Chisora (just gone 12 hard rounds with Vitali) far more convincingly than Usyk in terms of hitting and not getting hit. Which given Usyk's lack of power at HW is the only way he's going to win a title at HW.

[_Rexy_]

Yeah but he dealt with a much better version of Chisora (just gone 12 hard rounds with Vitali) far more convincingly than Usyk in terms of hitting and not getting hit. Which given Usyk's lack of power at HW is the only way he's going to win a title at HW.

I haven't seen that fight since it happened TBH but I looked up the punch stats just because we're discussing the elusiveness of both fighters

Against Haye, Chisora landed 23% of his shots (27% of his jabs)
Agsinst Usyk, Chisora landed 22% of his shots (11% of his jabs)

again, that obviously doesn't tell the whole story, but gives an idea. Plus, people like to point out that Usyk doesn't have KO power, but either does Andy Ruiz. His KO% was around 52% going into the Joshua fight. It's why I don't put much stock into things like that, it only tells a part of the story. Usyk could still drop Joshua with a well placed and timed combo IMO

[Ant1979]

I haven't seen that fight since it happened TBH but I looked up the punch stats just because we're discussing the elusiveness of both fighters

Against Haye, Chisora landed 23% of his shots (27% of his jabs)
Agsinst Usyk, Chisora landed 22% of his shots (11% of his jabs)

again, that obviously doesn't tell the whole story, but gives an idea. Plus, people like to point out that Usyk doesn't have KO power, but either does Andy Ruiz. His KO% was around 52% going into the Joshua fight. It's why I don't put much stock into things like that, it only tells a part of the story. Usyk could still drop Joshua with a well placed and timed combo IMO

Like you, not a massive fan of punch stats, Haye didn't have a mark on him and Chisora was much more of a threat on the front foot 8 years ago. Obviously Usyk has amazing footwork but he's too easily hit at HW imho. After 2 very average performances I think a scrap with Joyce would be more competitive than jumping in with either AJ or Fury.

Not doubting Usyk's power at Cruiserweight, but he's not shifting too many top HW's on the evidence shown so far. He hasn't got the longest of levers either and I AJ would box him similar to how he did Pulev. Joyce on the other hand could be an all out war.

[Roberto Vasquez]

I haven't seen that fight since it happened TBH but I looked up the punch stats just because we're discussing the elusiveness of both fighters

Against Haye, Chisora landed 23% of his shots (27% of his jabs)
Agsinst Usyk, Chisora landed 22% of his shots (11% of his jabs)

again, that obviously doesn't tell the whole story, but gives an idea. Plus, people like to point out that Usyk doesn't have KO power, but either does Andy Ruiz. His KO% was around 52% going into the Joshua fight. It's why I don't put much stock into things like that, it only tells a part of the story. Usyk could still drop Joshua with a well placed and timed combo IMO

Anyone could drop Joshua with his poor chin but most still don't manage it. AJ is fairly smart I'm sure he would keep Usyk at distance and grab and lean on him when he comes in.

Usyk still hasn't fought a decent big HW at pros yet. Chisora is a small HW. Also Chisora is ranked maybe 12/13. Lets' see Usyk in with a top-level guy. I think he has a chance against AJ but I still think AJ would win that. I'd be happy if Aj fights Usyk before or after Fury. Or if Fury wins - he can fight him

Usyk has more chance against Fury who has said on record that Cunningham was the only boxer he couldn't do anything with. Cunningham had a very poor record at HW. So Usyk can only do better

[Roberto Vasquez]

Jennings was green when he fought both Klitschko and Ortiz he also had Rivas if not for the last round mishap . There is no evidence Jennings was shot in the Joyce fight in fact I remember him training very hard and punching tires ,the same shot he caught Joyce early with but Joyce adapted and was unhurtable after round one .

Ortiz hasn’t won a top fight in what’s going on 6 years what will be so the rankings don’t remotely work like that ,but you know this and shows no validity in either ranking criteria.

Jennings is clearly at the end of his career.

But who cares about Ortiz? You are saying Joyce should be in the top 10 based on what? Surely he has to beat a top-10 boxer first? Why aren't you applying these strict critera to Joyce? Ortiz was in the ring with and went life and death with the world no.2 in recent times - who also happens to be the only top-20 boxer Fury has fought in 5 years.

Its' a strange world we live in. I like Joyce but don't put him in the top-10 until he actually beats someone in it.

[REDEEMER]

Jennings is clearly at the end of his career.

But who cares about Ortiz? You are saying Joyce should be in the top 10 based on what? Surely he has to beat a top-10 boxer first? Why aren't you applying these strict critera to Joyce? Ortiz was in the ring with and went life and death with the world no.2 in recent times - who also happens to be the only top-20 boxer Fury has fought in 5 years.

Its' a strange world we live in. I like Joyce but don't put him in the top-10 until he actually beats someone in it.

Who did Ortiz defeat in 2015 to still be ranked in a top 10 now ? Didn’t Ortiz defeat Jennings after a loss ? So please tell me how Ortiz constitutes a ranking over current Joyce ? Can you explain the logic,I’m sincerely interested because your contradictions are Joyce isn’t a top 10 but fail to explain why Ortiz is ,so how is that even possible . You have to take other guys out of the top 10 if Joyce isn’t or shouldn’t be there .

The assumption on your part is Ortiz is a top 10 because 3 years ago he gave Wilder a good fight ? Come on ,going on Ortiz last fight and Joyce’s you wouldn’t pick Ortiz to win , no one would if they were being honest . Ha


Jennings has only 28 fights and was 5 and 1 going into the Joyce fight so there’s no real credibility to say he’s at the end of his career . Clearly he has a few fights left after giving Joyce his toughest fight .

If you can’t see why Joyce is a top 10 ,I don’t know what to tell you .

[Bain01D]

Worst thing about this thread is agreeing with that little wally Sam Jones!

[JakeTheBoxer]

Haye benefited from a weak era, and Holy benifited from pharmaceuticals.

Very true, very true.