Able Sanchez did a TERRIBLE job as Golovkins coach

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  • -Kev-
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    #11
    Sanchez was more like his promoter, mouthpiece, hype man. He fueled fans to talk about GGG. Sanchez did a lot to boost GGG’s confidence. And with 300+ amateur fights, all you need is confidence. Coaches don’t all have to be technically good for their fighter to win.

    Besides look at all the trainers that fail to replicate their success with other fighters. Their only success comes with 1 fighter. That should tell you everything there. That it was the fighter that was good, not the trainer. Fighters make coaches look good.

    Sanchez was a great promoter. Much better at hyping GGG than coaching him.

    Trainers become high profile because of one fighter. Then other pro fighters hire that trainer and can’t get the same success. Coaching is done when a person first goes into boxing, that’s what they are best for. Once you fight in the amateurs and have a few pro fights, all you need is a hype man in your corner. No need for a coach. It’s possible that GGG doesn’t even utilize Banks, or needed Sanchez for anything technical. He needed Sanchez as his hype man. That’s why he tossed him when he was going around admitting Canelo won. That is not hyping your fighter, that is not stroking his ego, that’s not boosting his confidence. So you’re not needed anymore.

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    • Doubledagger
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      #12
      Originally posted by Pac=Duran
      This gimp never learned anything from his years as a boxing coach.

      Universal Truth of Boxing: The skilled boxer will beat the power puncher 8 times out of 10 at least.

      This truism of boxing is even more relevant at the highest level of the game.

      So what does Abel do? He takes a super accomplished amateur fighter that is near fully formed and then trains him to be a power puncher. What a joke lol

      He shoukd have been training skills and defence 90% of the time. GGGs power was already there. Dont get me wrong, GGG is a very skillful fighter and beat Canelo in the first fight, but he could have been so much more.

      Thoughts on this?
      I don't agree.

      Look at Jermall Charlo for example.

      Jermall struggles because he is using a style not suited to power punching even though he has so much raw power.

      Ronnie Shields teaches the slick defensive counter punching style ala Erislandy Lara but Jermall is an explosive power puncher, he should be working more on breaking down and stopping opponents instead of trying to be smooth and slick in the ring.

      His KO rate is trash even though the only guy with comparable power in and around his weight division is Golovkin.

      Jermell, since making the move to Derick James, has KO'd almost every opponent he has faced because he is being taught the right style suited to his strengths.

      Abel Sanchez did the right thing, and Jermell did the right thing in leaving Ronnie Shields and going to Derick James.

      I actually would love to see how Jermall would look under Sanchez. Jermall will never improve under Ronnie Shields.

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      • kafkod
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        #13
        Originally posted by -Kev-
        Sanchez was more like his promoter, mouthpiece, hype man. He fueled fans to talk about GGG. Sanchez did a lot to boost GGG’s confidence. And with 300+ amateur fights, all you need is confidence. Coaches don’t all have to be technically good for their fighter to win.

        Besides look at all the trainers that fail to replicate their success with other fighters. Their only success comes with 1 fighter. That should tell you everything there. That it was the fighter that was good, not the trainer. Fighters make coaches look good.

        Sanchez was a great promoter. Much better at hyping GGG than coaching him.

        Trainers become high profile because of one fighter. Then other pro fighters hire that trainer and can’t get the same success. Coaching is done when a person first goes into boxing, that’s what they are best for. Once you fight in the amateurs and have a few pro fights, all you need is a hype man in your corner. No need for a coach. It’s possible that GGG doesn’t even utilize Banks, or needed Sanchez for anything technical. He needed Sanchez as his hype man. That’s why he tossed him when he was going around admitting Canelo won. That is not hyping your fighter, that is not stroking his ego, that’s not boosting his confidence. So you’re not needed anymore.
        Sanchez trained Murat Gassiev, who had little amateur experience, from the start of his career, and molded him into a unified world champion, so he must be more than just a hype man. Remember how Gassiev surprised everyone with his skillful back foot boxing game against Dorticus?

        And btw, the split with GGG was over money. Abel never admitted that Canelo won. What he actually said was that in his eyes, GGG won, but it was a close fight and they accepted the judges decision.

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        • TonyGe
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          #14
          Originally posted by To Be Frank Doe
          But GGG fans are content to just flick lazy jabs at Canelo 1/3 times for a “win.” The truth is, if you can’t close the ring and miss, then you’re just following the guy around at his game. If GGG had landed missile shots to Canelo’s body while Canelo was on the back foot then it would be a completely different story. Most fights where a guy is walking or closing the ring have successful attempts to land to the body to secure points. Just shooting 1/3 jabs while Canelo is a master at rolling head movement doesn’t impress all judges. The judges were very generous to give GGG rounds in that he didn’t engage fundamental power punching, for a guy who was marketed and showed power punching throughout his career, while Canelo did do it but Gennadiy didn’t.

          All that said, they were interesting fights, but to cry robbery is just fans whom don’t know real boxing. Foreman and Tyson had Canelo winning. I guess it’s because they were disappointed that the bigger man trying to walk down the smaller guy didn’t risk any power punching. Tyson and Foreman were power punchers. It’s not complicated.

          The Draw made sense. “But but Canelo went life and death with Golovkin.” Lol
          The bigger man vs smaller man doesn't cut it. They both fought in the same division and right now Canelo is in a higher weight class and looks very solid. In fact he's expressed doubt that he can make 160 and be effective. I've always thought that Golovkin needed a better inside game. He can generate power without winding up and at this stage of his career it could come in handy to slow up the younger faster fighters.
          Last edited by TonyGe; 12-22-2020, 08:14 AM.

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          • Thuglife Nelo
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            #15
            Originally posted by TonyGe
            The bigger man vs smaller man doesn't cut it. They both fought in the same division and right now Canelo is in a higher weight class and looks very solid. In fact he's expressed doubt that he can make 160 and be effective. I've always thought that Golovkin needed a better inside game. He can generate power without winding up and at this stage of his career it could come in handy to slow up the younger faster fighters.
            He just told industry he prefers 160-168. He said his current goal is to get the 168 belts. He didn’t say he can’t make 160.

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            • -Kev-
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              #16
              Originally posted by kafkod
              Sanchez trained Murat Gassiev, who had little amateur experience, from the start of his career, and molded him into a unified world champion, so he must be more than just a hype man. Remember how Gassiev surprised everyone with his skillful back foot boxing game against Dorticus?

              And btw, the split with GGG was over money. Abel never admitted that Canelo won. What he actually said was that in his eyes, GGG won, but it was a close fight and they accepted the judges decision.
              In the post fight interview at the press conference Sanchez says: Canelo is the champion today, he deserves it.

              In an ESPN interview while still in the arena Sanchez says he had no issue with the scores and thought GGG lost because he felt he was ahead going into the 11th and 12th round and he was “imploring” GGG to fight in those two rounds in which he said GGG didn’t do and that cost him the fight.

              I’m sure money was involved but GGG probably didn’t like that his trainer wasn’t throwing a tantrum about the decision and was all happy for Canelo and congratulating Canelo on the win and not having any issues with the decision.

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                #17
                Originally posted by kafkod
                Abel never admitted that Canelo won. What he actually said was that in his eyes, GGG won, but it was a close fight and they accepted the judges decision.
                What you say, boy?



                "Canelo is a champion today and the fight was close enough that one round made the difference"



                "How I scored the fight? I scored the fight even. The 12th round was the pivotal round and I thought we were behind. I thought it was even but, you know what, Canelo won. This fight was a 1 round fight and a 3rd fight is merited"

                Sounds like Abel explicitly admitting Canelo won.

                If a murderer never admits to their murder...does that make them innocent? Then what kind of dog shit logic do you operate with lmfao

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                • MPDKSAB
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                  #18
                  False. Is Abel the most complete trainer? No. But the way he trained GGG is the reason GGG is at where he is today!

                  These dudes don't be watching I'm telling y'all. Look at GGG before Abel got him vs when Abel got him.

                  The way Abel trained him got him the fanfare & allowed him to become one of the biggest fighters in boxing. KOs sell & Abel catered to that & maximized GGG as much as he could.

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                    #19
                    GGG before Abel was an olympic silver medalist with great fundamentals and skill. he had all the tools to be a great pro, Abel was all wrong for him

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                    • TonyGe
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by To Be Frank Doe
                      He just told industry he prefers 160-168. He said his current goal is to get the 168 belts. He didn’t say he can’t make 160.
                      Didn't say he couldn't make the weight either. He:s the guy that has concerns about making weight.



                      “It will probably be very difficult to lose weight,” Alvarez said during a post-fight press conference following his 11th round knockout of Sergey Kovalev. “It’s always been very difficult for me to lose weight. However, we must continue creating history and I can do it.”

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