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  • Boricua181
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    #71
    Originally posted by PBR Streetgang
    For as close and controversial the first two fights were, I have to admit I'm not needing to watch a third fight. Golovkin's jab and power will cause Canelo issues but time is on Alvarez's side in this one.

    The other thing I find Interesting is that Canelo seems more willing to fight GGG now that he's not under the GBP banner. He also seems pretty receptive to working with both DAZN and Matchroom in the future.
    Time is on Canelo's side, and he sure has taken all the advantage's of that time. Two years for the first fight to be made, another year for the second fight to happen, now close to another three years if it can be made in May 2021. That's six years for a trilogy, which should have happened within 3, or 4 years not 6. The fans were clamoring for their fight to happen, ever since Canelo won the title from Miguel Cotto. The Canelo versus GGG fights had so many fight fans rooting for one, or the other. That the fights could've been made in quick succession, and they would've both made more money off of them that way. Now the same fight fans have grown tired of all the haggling, and delays. As much as the fans have said they aren't interested in a third fight between them. If that third fight is made, they'll tune in, or attend in capacity type numbers. So large are their fan base's, and so hotly contested were both of their previous fights.

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    • Nightfall
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      #72
      still running from Jermall Charlo

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      • Boricua181
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        #73
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        Canelo had to be shamed into taking the fight with GGG after 2 years of duking/marinating. Then he had to be shamed into accepting the rematch, after running so much in their first fight. He took such a pounding in that rematch that 2.3 years later he still has wanted to sign the contract for the trilogy fight. Every fighter has their arch nemesis, GGG isn't only his nemesis, he's also is second man to beat him unofficially not once but twice. He more than deserves a third fight, the promoters need to make it happen.

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        • JakeTheBoxer
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          #74
          The third fight will never happen.

          Canelo said he wants to collect 168 belts. GGG doesn`t have any.

          Canelo obviously fights Turkish guy, Saunders and Plant in 2021. GGG should not be so ****** to fight Canelo in 2022. he will be 40 than.

          GGG should take 2-3 more 160 fights and retire.

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            #75
            Originally posted by Boricua181
            Those are all great points that you make, but remember that Canelo had a knee operation a while back. That can always rear it's ugly head in a in hard fight. Also he had a life, and death fight with GGG in their rematch. That was something Canelo didn't want to go through again. Making a concerted effort to avoid another life, and death struggle with GGG at all cost. That delay is 2 years, and 3 months now, if they were to fight in May it would be close to 3 years. It took 2 years of Canelo avoiding the fight, something his promoter tried to spin as marinating before the first fight was made. All along the GGG has gotten older, but he still looks incredibly fit. They say that old fighters usually have one good fight left in their career, I'm betting that one fight, if that is all GGG has left, would be against Canelo. He has a lot of reason's for exacting the greatest effort in his career to get the win against Canelo Alvarez. I had never seen Canelo beaten so badly before in his career, as he was in their rematch. That said Canelo did fight like a true champion is supposed to, but it wasn't enough in my eyes to deserve the win. I apologize for the long reply, but I wanted to make case as complete as possible.
            I agree that G will put it all on the line against Canelo. Nobody will motivate him as much, but mind might be willing, but body might not be there to follow. I always have a reservation about fighters who don't fight prime vs prime. And the reservation is that if an aging fighter loses I wouldn't hold it against him too much. But if he wins, I'd comfortably double the points. Respect to the elderly, so to speak With 8 years separating G and Canelo, it was impossible for them to fight prime vs prime. But 35 y.o. G impressed me greatly and made me go with extrapolation that a 32 y.o. G would have won even more convincingly and probably wouldn't have lost more than 2-3 rounds. Ultimately, that's an assumption and we'll never know for sure how good GGG actually was in his prime. Which is a great shame, but I suspect he was pushing ATG status.

            There is a logic that I apply to Canelo's fights to make a prognosis if he is going to win or not. And that is: can his opponent outpoint him so convincingly that its almost embarrassing? If the answer is no - Canelo wins.

            Canelo is excellent, no doubt. KOing him is very hard because of his great defensive skills and a solid chin. So the chances for that option are almost out of the window. Outpointing an excellent fighter who is also a mega star - incredibly difficult. Hello from 118-110 and 114-114. And, finally, Canelo knows what he's doing in terms of shifting the playing field in his direction. Cotto, Mayweather, GGG, Kovalev - all > 35. Its not accidental and not a coincidence. Kovalev & Smith had little time to prepare - another very big factor, IMO. The system is generally rigged pro Canelo meaning that the things we don't usually hear about might play role - ring size, gloves, wrapping hands and all that stuff. So, all in all - Canelo wins. Which in my book takes a bit away from his glory.

            I heard Usyk's interview recently, where he said in his fight with Chisora, there were some issues with Chisora's glove inspection, glove padding and ring size - it appeared smaller than Usyk expected. And that's a fight with some Chisora, what will Canelo do to move the needle in his direction? Other than eating funny beef, of course..

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              #76
              Originally posted by Verus
              Canelo ran straight away from Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury too. I almost forgot he ran away from Wilder and Muhammad Ali before that.
              It's a fact that none of the guys that are so often mentioned on this/similar threads (Charlo, Benavidez, Andrade, Plant) as "must opponents" for Canelo haven’t fought each other either, let alone challenged bigger guys (Beterbiev, Bivol etc).
              IMO, Bivol and Beterbiev should fight each other first for unification in LH. The same goes for GGG and Andrade in MW, and Plant and Benavidez in SMW. And that’s IF Benavidez can still make weight, if no, he should be first to challenge for the LH (his natural division).

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                #77
                Originally posted by alexjust
                I agree that G will put it all on the line against Canelo. Nobody will motivate him as much, but mind might be willing, but body might not be there to follow. I always have a reservation about fighters who don't fight prime vs prime. And the reservation is that if an aging fighter loses I wouldn't hold it against him too much. But if he wins, I'd comfortably double the points. Respect to the elderly, so to speak With 8 years separating G and Canelo, it was impossible for them to fight prime vs prime. But 35 y.o. G impressed me greatly and made me go with extrapolation that a 32 y.o. G would have won even more convincingly and probably wouldn't have lost more than 2-3 rounds. Ultimately, that's an assumption and we'll never know for sure how good GGG actually was in his prime. Which is a great shame, but I suspect he was pushing ATG status.

                There is a logic that I apply to Canelo's fights to make a prognosis if he is going to win or not. And that is: can his opponent outpoint him so convincingly that its almost embarrassing? If the answer is no - Canelo wins.

                Canelo is excellent, no doubt. KOing him is very hard because of his great defensive skills and a solid chin. So the chances for that option are almost out of the window. Outpointing an excellent fighter who is also a mega star - incredibly difficult. Hello from 118-110 and 114-114. And, finally, Canelo knows what he's doing in terms of shifting the playing field in his direction. Cotto, Mayweather, GGG, Kovalev - all > 35. Its not accidental and not a coincidence. Kovalev & Smith had little time to prepare - another very big factor, IMO. The system is generally rigged pro Canelo meaning that the things we don't usually hear about might play role - ring size, gloves, wrapping hands and all that stuff. So, all in all - Canelo wins. Which in my book takes a bit away from his glory.

                I heard Usyk's interview recently, where he said in his fight with Chisora, there were some issues with Chisora's glove inspection, glove padding and ring size - it appeared smaller than Usyk expected. And that's a fight with some Chisora, what will Canelo do to move the needle in his direction? Other than eating funny beef, of course..
                Those were some pretty good observation's, and the analysis wasn't bad either. I might be wrong, but I think that GGG is angry enough with the prior 2 decision's in their fights that he just might do the impossible. Beat Canelo in his own backyard, Las Vegas irregardless of the conditions against him.

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                • buge
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer
                  The third fight will never happen.

                  Canelo said he wants to collect 168 belts. GGG doesn`t have any.

                  Canelo obviously fights Turkish guy, Saunders and Plant in 2021. GGG should not be so ****** to fight Canelo in 2022. he will be 40 than.

                  GGG should take 2-3 more 160 fights and retire.
                  Canelo also said he was going to collect the 160 belts, and that GGG should get one if he wants a fight. GGG then got the IBF belt, and Canelo left the division.

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                  • Verus
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by Samokries
                    It's a fact that none of the guys that are so often mentioned on this/similar threads (Charlo, Benavidez, Andrade, Plant) as "must opponents" for Canelo haven’t fought each other either, let alone challenged bigger guys (Beterbiev, Bivol etc).
                    IMO, Bivol and Beterbiev should fight each other first for unification in LH. The same goes for GGG and Andrade in MW, and Plant and Benavidez in SMW. And that’s IF Benavidez can still make weight, if no, he should be first to challenge for the LH (his natural division).
                    Canelo is "old school" willing to challenge himself. The guys you mention and many others are unwilling to take on top opponents risk losing. I guess that pretty much describes the modern era.

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                      #80
                      He now wants the fight with GGG being 38 and being tagged up all the time. Its exactly the game plan we saw from day one when he waited 2 years to make the first fight. He didn't want to fight GGG in 2015 when it was first proposed.

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