This is worst heavyweight division ever - response

[Marchegiano]

First, Earl, ya ****, did I make you cry or something? Get me off ignore so I can speak in the thread ya ****.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=862799

Can't even remember giving this hòmò business.



That said, let's get into it:



I think probably the post Tunney and pre Louis era is the worst....maybe the pre Charles era....Joe's is kinda just okay.

I do not believe Max or Primo would be champion if not for the rise of fascism in Europe at a time when the IBU was a real player in world boxing.

More *******s in the voting conferences for ranking meant more *******s being ranked. Don't even need the fix fights accusation, of which there are many, to point out they benefited from a corrupted sanctioning body.

Interestingly as soon as fascism falls as does the Italian and German boxing scene. I don't think that's a coincidence.

[Long jabber]

Best boxing era was the tua era. He only lost because of flukes

[boliodogs]

Best boxing era was the tua era. He only lost because of flukes

I think you are the only guy in the world who calls that time period the Tua era.Tua was a decent heavyweight but there was no era known as the Tua era. He got his ass kicked a few times and they were not flukes.

[kafkod]

First, Earl, ya ****, did I make you cry or something? Get me off ignore so I can speak in the thread ya ****.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=862799

Can't even remember giving this hòmò business.



That said, let's get into it:



I think probably the post Tunney and pre Louis era is the worst....maybe the pre Charles era....Joe's is kinda just okay.

I do not believe Max or Primo would be champion if not for the rise of fascism in Europe at a time when the IBU was a real player in world boxing.

More *******s in the voting conferences for ranking meant more *******s being ranked. Don't even need the fix fights accusation, of which there are many, to point out they benefited from a corrupted sanctioning body.

Interestingly as soon as fascism falls as does the Italian and German boxing scene. I don't think that's a coincidence.

In case you don't get Earl's peculiar brand of humour, he is trolling with that thread you linked to. It's a sarcastic dig at what he views as a biased pro Afro/American fan clique at this place, rather than a genuine reflection of his own opinion.

Re your take on the rise and fall of boxing in Germany and Italy. It's an interesting theory, but I thought Carnera owed his fistic success more to the American mob than the Italian *******s? Maybe those 2 factors were linked though?

Hitler was known to be a "fan" of Schmeling - if I can use that word to describe a megalomaniacal, narcissistic psycho like Adolf - put Max was a different animal altogether than Primo. That guy could really fight, and would have been an elite level force in any era.

[FightLikeABroad]

I think you are the only guy in the world who calls that time period the Tua era.Tua was a decent heavyweight but there was no era known as the Tua era. He got his ass kicked a few times and they were not flukes.

ahhhaha exactly.,.. I was like, Tua? The guy who won 1 round vs Lewis.... fluke L ? lmao.

[Marchegiano]

In case you don't get Earl's peculiar brand of humour, he is trolling with that thread you linked to. It's a sarcastic dig at what he views as a biased pro Afro/American fan clique at this place, rather than a genuine reflection of his own opinion.

Re your take on the rise and fall of boxing in Germany and Italy. It's an interesting theory, but I thought Carnera owed his fistic success more to the American mob than the Italian *******s? Maybe those 2 factors were linked though?

Hitler was known to be a "fan" of Schmeling - if I can use that word to describe a megalomaniacal, narcissistic psycho like Adolf - put Max was a different animal altogether than Primo. That guy could really fight, and would have been an elite level force in any era.

Well none of his are serious, are they?

He touched on a subject I like so I checked if I'm on ignore I read nothing but the title.

I should also warn, I want to say more than I have time for so I probably won't be well organized.

To Max and Primo, both are talents actually. Carnera's laughed at now but back then the Alp was feared. Mussolini was just as big a fan of Primo as Hitler was Max, they're both basically poster children for dictators who use nationalism to justify their dictatorships. Obviously not sole, but one of them.

However, I didn't mean to imply Hitler or Mussolini had anything to do with boxing ratings, I very much doubt they did because I very much doubt they needed to or that it was important enough to them. For them I think their adoration was a matter of convenience.

It's more in the late days of the IBU before the APPE.

Their NBA/NYSAC rating are fine, it's the NBA and NYSAC. If anything those boards are behooved to limit *******s and favor allies.

I'm not so sure without the ******* control over Europe schmeling or primo would have been the man to make it across the pond though.

The IBU had allowed the blacks not able to fight for the world title a chance to fight for world titles. They've a few black champions from their early days. Peter the Great, Langford, guys like that. So black fighters in America were going to Europe to make money and be allowed to win. Until they won too much.

Then is became much like America except no where to go. In America if the NBA does you dirty you go to the NYSAC. Gains left the NYSAC for the NBA so that he didn't have to lay down for Sharkey in a fix. Just leave New England area basically and continue your career. Both were dead ends as long as guys like Dempsey and Tunney had the title but they were not so corrupted they worked together to screw over black men.

In Europe black guys were allowed to do well for a while, then they started being avoided, then they started being fixed, and finally America breaks the colorline and ends it.

So, what I wonder is, if Schemling wasn't protected from guys like Gains would he have been the IBU champion being brought over to NY? Gains KO'd him early in his career. A mean KO too. Then Max was never again put against another highly ranked fighter from the Americas until after he'd secured Europe as his.

Primo had Godfrey in cuffs but that didn't stop George from proving he could whoop Primo before DQing himself out.

It's not for sure, but, probably the colored guys were the real talent at the time. Baer and Sharkey ain't exactly great either. Gains was probably the best in the world for a period if there was anywhere on earth for him to shine.

Unlike previous eras where Europe would serve as a counter to racism during the ******* rise in Europe there is no place for these men to do well and the ones who were too high profile to murder and too good to lay down were simply avoided.

In Gains era he found Europe was no place for a black man to fight and America more profitable.


That said, the old champions after Sullivan and before Dempsey all fought a colored champion and won or at least got a draw prior or during their reign except Burns who just got whooped by JJ. Dempsey and Tunney don't fight black guys but they are Dempsey and Tunney...bit better than Max and Primo. So even though they're as ducky their own name value saves their era.

Willard was ****.

Baer and Sharkey I'm not huge on either.

Max and Primo i'm not even sure earned their slot in Europe.

Everyone before hand are either Sully, who honestly is the worst champion ever, or come from a more fair era they dominated for a period. Then you get Willard who is **** but hardly an era himself and Jack and Gene to make up for how **** Willard is. Then the ****ing 30s. Where everyone is suspect and no black man can do well anywhere. I think Larry would have been champion with his skills and jab. In that department you'd be hard pressed to find a knowledgeable fan who says Max, Bear, Primo, or Sharkey were better boxers. I'm sure plenty think Max or Primo or Sharkey would have won but they won't claim those guys had a better jab of boxing acumen.


Loopin' Larry Gains was the man I reckon and Canada (BE still?) got ****ed over by ****s n ****. Almost everyone agrees this is the worst era for colorline. I basically just explained why. It wasn't America alone anymore and if anything America was becoming a more friendly place to blacks than Europe...which says a ton about a black man's ability to get a fair shake. Godfrey might have been champion instead of Primo. Godfrey and Gains would have been damn good I'm sure of that.


All that BS aside, I do respect them both actually I just think it's probably the worst era in boxing history....well for HW. They are all, on both sides, the benefactors of some real bull****.

I heard Bear's not even actually a ***.

[daggum]

any era with luis ortiz is by default the best era

[BodyBagz]

The Crackhead era was the worst.

Every month there was a new champ.

This era is 2nd worst