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  • Thuglife Nelo
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    #31
    Originally posted by wrecksracer
    As with other fighters, I watch the fights that I think will be competitive. I skipped the Rocky Fielding fight, but I tend to watch most Canelo fights. He is clearly one of the top pound for pound champions.
    And Loma fought Marriaga off a loss, so what. Plant fights Mike Lee and Feigenbutz, so what, “but Canelo ducking Plant doe.” “Canelo ducking Saunders doe...” but BJS fighting guys unknown to then Murray. Jermall Charlo fighting Adams and Munguia’s sloppy seconds. GGg fighting Rolls. Andrade fighting Keeler... and on and on and on. Lol. Fielding? So what. Move on

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    • wrecksracer
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      #32
      Originally posted by To Be Frank Doe
      And Loma fought Marriaga off a loss, so what. Plant fights Mike Lee and Feigenbutz, so what, “but Canelo ducking Plant doe.” “Canelo ducking Saunders doe...” but BJS fighting guys unknown to then Murray. Jermall Charlo fighting Adams and Munguia’s sloppy seconds. GGg fighting Rolls. Andrade fighting Keeler... and on and on and on. Lol. Fielding? So what. Move on
      Did Loma drop a belt? Any of these other guys drop a belt? Only Canelo dropped his belt. Lol...move on is right.

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      • Thuglife Nelo
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        #33
        Originally posted by wrecksracer
        Did Loma drop a belt? Any of these other guys drop a belt? Only Canelo dropped his belt. Lol...move on is right.
        Yeah yeah same crying over and over. “Loma took Franchise to duck Haney” etc..

        You guys never acknowledge the nature of purse bids. Why did GGG drop his belt with Devry for Martirosyan? Why did Floyd “drop his belt (WBO)” after PAC with Bradley being next? These are money moves right? I just answered your rhetorical questions with mine. Get the point? $$$

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          #34
          Originally posted by To Be Frank Doe
          Yeah yeah same crying over and over. “Loma took Franchise to duck Haney” etc..

          You guys never acknowledge the nature of purse bids. Why did GGG drop his belt with Devry for Martirosyan? Why did Floyd “drop his belt (WBO)” after PAC with Bradley being next? These are money moves right? I just answered your rhetorical questions with mine. Get the point? $$$
          Canelo took the Cotto fight knowing that GGG was going to be his mandatory. The fight with GGG would be his biggest possible money fight at the time. He dropped the belt AND his biggest possible payday at the time. Get the point? $$$ Biggest duck since Bowe ducked Lennox.

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          • Thuglife Nelo
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            #35
            Originally posted by wrecksracer
            Canelo took the Cotto fight knowing that GGG was going to be his mandatory. The fight with GGG would be his biggest possible money fight at the time. He dropped the belt AND his biggest possible payday at the time. Get the point? $$$ Biggest duck since Bowe ducked Lennox.
            No. Boxing is a meritocracy. Canelo could care less about GGg’s earnings back then up to the point when he left DAZN. GGG took step asides from Cotto too. You think promoters and fighters don’t know those things? Canelo was 25 when he fought Cotto, and would continue fighting. You don’t see Canelo crying to GGg lovers “hey why didn’t you fight Ward?”

            Cotto was an accomplished MSG seller bigger than GGG as well as doing PPV. Canelo would win either way in staging those fights as it was bound to be. Cotto even set the catchweight for Canelo.

            Boxingscene reported that GGG and Canelo had to reach a deal just two weeks after Khan or else purse bid.

            Listen to this carefully! Even if you Loeffler and Oscar couldn’t agree with splits, YOU DONT TAKE GBP to purse bid with a star like Canelo. Let me repeat, Even if you Loeffler and Oscar couldn’t agree with splits, YOU DONT TAKE GBP to purse bid with a star like Canelo. That’s not theory, but basic practice.

            Let me put it in better perspective, would Floyd had vacated his WBC if Robert Guerrero went to purse bid with him? Do you know how ridiculous that would look if GBP said “nah that ain’t fair what Floyd is giving Robert, we are going to purse bid!” Lol. Bruh that doesn’t happen. Cant believe some fans pretend to not know splits or purse bids. They assume cash cows just bend over to minor league promoters. Doesn’t work that way.

            GBP has always had fun making matches with Floyd. Brings money!

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              #36
              My fantasy matchup..
              Edwin Valero vs Pacquiao at 130

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              • wrecksracer
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                #37
                Originally posted by To Be Frank Doe
                No. Boxing is a meritocracy. Canelo could care less about GGg’s earnings back then up to the point when he left DAZN. GGG took step asides from Cotto too. You think promoters and fighters don’t know those things? Canelo was 25 when he fought Cotto, and would continue fighting. You don’t see Canelo crying to GGg lovers “hey why didn’t you fight Ward?”

                Cotto was an accomplished MSG seller bigger than GGG as well as doing PPV. Canelo would win either way in staging those fights as it was bound to be. Cotto even set the catchweight for Canelo.

                Boxingscene reported that GGG and Canelo had to reach a deal just two weeks after Khan or else purse bid.

                Listen to this carefully! Even if you Loeffler and Oscar couldn’t agree with splits, YOU DONT TAKE GBP to purse bid with a star like Canelo. Let me repeat, Even if you Loeffler and Oscar couldn’t agree with splits, YOU DONT TAKE GBP to purse bid with a star like Canelo. That’s not theory, but basic practice.

                Let me put it in better perspective, would Floyd had vacated his WBC if Robert Guerrero went to purse bid with him? Do you know how ridiculous that would look if GBP said “nah that ain’t fair what Floyd is giving Robert, we are going to purse bid!” Lol. Bruh that doesn’t happen. Cant believe some fans pretend to not know splits or purse bids. They assume cash cows just bend over to minor league promoters. Doesn’t work that way.

                GBP has always had fun making matches with Floyd. Brings money!
                Ducks are yellow, and so was Canelo. He skipped out on a pre-arranged big money fight. His biggest possible money fight. He turned tail and ran. Your points are all excuses. If he was confident that he would win, he would have taken the fight

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                • Thuglife Nelo
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by wrecksracer
                  Ducks are yellow, and so was Canelo. He skipped out on a pre-arranged big money fight. His biggest possible money fight. He turned tail and ran. Your points are all excuses. If he was confident that he would win, he would have taken the fight
                  Canelo fought GGG 22 months after beating Cotto.

                  It has been 30 months since Crawford beat Horn. That’s 8 months more than any unification with Errol Spence! What’s the similarity? Money! Crawford vs Spence have been crying about A side splits. GGG was never an accomplished “seller” like Canelo, and Canelo has had more PPVs than any of these mentioned.

                  Need more knowledge? My pleasure.

                  The difference is that Crawford or Spence don’t have mandos or a purse bid in front of them.

                  Your question should be, “why did Canelo vacate?” The answer is simple, K2 Loeffler didn’t accept GBP’s offer or agreement with splits because they felt they deserved more money having 3 belts.

                  Therefore, in a similar situation, how many belts did AJ have when for 2+ years the hot topic was Wilder? Did Wilder agree to splits?

                  All these scenarios have to do with money!

                  I’ll save the best part for last!

                  In all these scenarios! Canelo still fought GGG whereas all these other fights never or didn’t happen. And what’s better, Canelo fought twice against a guy u guy claim he “ducked.”

                  Nobody believes Canelo “ducked” GGG because it doesn’t make sense.

                  How u like them apples?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by To Be Frank Doe
                    Yeah yeah same crying over and over. “Loma took Franchise to duck Haney” etc..

                    You guys never acknowledge the nature of purse bids. Why did GGG drop his belt with Devry for Martirosyan? Why did Floyd “drop his belt (WBO)” after PAC with Bradley being next? These are money moves right? I just answered your rhetorical questions with mine. Get the point? $$$
                    Floyd dropped the belt because the WBO told him that their rules do not allow someone to hold their belt and other belts at a different weight class.

                    In other words, in order to hold on to the WBO belt, he would have to drop the two belts he held at 154lbs.

                    Dropping two belts for one doesn't seem to make sense to me. Its an unreasonable demand.

                    I don't believe Floyd was scared of Bradley even for one second and I know and you know Floyd would gave schooled Bradley.

                    However, taking Berto for his last fight was insane. He clearly ducked everyone, literally everyone with that move.

                    Its still a duck but I understand why he did it.

                    I think Floyd was afraid the powers that be would organise for him to get robbed on the cards so that ge can stay longer in the sport and renew his contract with Showtime.

                    He clearly wanted out and was visibly at his limit at the high level, and he wanted to leave on his own terms.

                    Its an understable reason to duck everyone but a duck is still a duck. It quacks like every other duck.

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                    • Thuglife Nelo
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Doubledagger
                      Floyd dropped the belt because the WBO told him that their rules do not allow someone to hold their belt and other belts at a different weight class.

                      In other words, in order to hold on to the WBO belt, he would have to drop the two belts he held at 154lbs.

                      Dropping two belts for one doesn't seem to make sense to me. Its an unreasonable demand.

                      I don't believe Floyd was scared of Bradley even for one second and I know and you know Floyd would gave schooled Bradley.

                      However, taking Berto for his last fight was insane. He clearly ducked everyone, literally everyone with that move.

                      Its still a duck but I understand why he did it.

                      I think Floyd was afraid the powers that be would organise for him to get robbed on the cards so that ge can stay longer in the sport and renew his contract with Showtime.

                      He clearly wanted out and was visibly at his limit at the high level, and he wanted to leave on his own terms.

                      Its an understable reason to duck everyone but a duck is still a duck. It quacks like every other duck.
                      The WBO rolled with Arum or Warren to diss day!! Arum pressured the WBO to have Floyd stripped. Think about it. When was the last time that Floyd made a legit 154 defense? It’s ironic, Floyd cried that he wanted to give other fighters a “chance” to win belts yet didn’t relinquish 154, which he still didn’t plan to defend.

                      Therefore, Floyd could’ve easily paid the 200K to the WBO and make a defense against Bradley since he was wasting time at 154. To be honest, I don’t know the mandatory rotations for Floyd at the time across both weight classes, but Floyd could’ve showed the boxing world how he would’ve tamed Bradley better than how PAC did without controversy.

                      Or who knows, maybe Floyd was scared of Bradley should it go to the cards

                      These all have reasons. Same reason GBP didn’t agree with splits with K2 after Canelo beat Khan.

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