The Ring: Spence/Pacquiao could result in lineal welterweight champion being crowned

[Larry the boss]

I could careless if the Ring is up with Manny and Spence (which it shouldnt) all I am saying to OP is Manny was never Ring champ and he seems to confuse that with other places like TBRB that like to keep up with lineage...Rings lineage is different as they have changed up recently due to promoters and networks stopping fights

[Combat Talk Radio]

What I am telling you is Manny has never held the ring title at 147

The argument is that Manny never had the Ring belt at 147 and he didnt..that is all I am saying..he never was ring champ at 147..

I could careless if the Ring is up with Manny and Spence (which it shouldnt) all I am saying to OP is Manny was never Ring champ and he seems to confuse that with other places like TBRB that like to keep up with lineage...Rings lineage is different as they have changed up recently due to promoters and networks stopping fights

Do you understand WHY 147 Ring didn't go to Manny (despite being lineal)?

It's because there was an expectation of a rematch of Floyd/Manny (Floyd had not officially "retired" at any point yet before Berto). Then this:



Floyd was still recognized (there's that word again) as Ring champion when Manny fought Bradley the third time, but lineal passed to Manny as he was #1 and Bradley #2. That's fine - but that's when there IS a champion in place.

After Floyd retired, Manny loses to Horn, lineal goes vacant, Ring never goes to him because Floyd 'officially' retired (as in, stopped paying sanctioning fees) after Pac/Bradley 3. The only reason that fight was for WBO is because Floyd was stripped of it due to non-payment. But he still held and defended the others (until he eventually announced full retirement and rendered them - including The Ring - vacant).

There has not been a fight between 1 and 2 or 1 and 3 since Manny lost to Floyd. That's why. The reason it's confusing is that Floyd was still a belt holder after he "said" he was done (the first time, immediately after beating Berto).

That's why I'm telling people the 2012 changes were long since undone.

[Larry the boss]

Do you understand WHY 147 Ring didn't go to Manny (despite being lineal)?

It's because there was an expectation of a rematch of Floyd/Manny (Floyd had not officially "retired" at any point yet before Berto). Then this:



Floyd was still recognized (there's that word again) as Ring champion when Manny fought Bradley the third time, but lineal passed to Manny as he was #1 and Bradley #2. That's fine - but that's when there IS a champion in place.

After Floyd retired, Manny loses to Horn, lineal goes vacant, Ring never goes to him because Floyd 'officially' retired (as in, stopped paying sanctioning fees) after Pac/Bradley 3. The only reason that fight was for WBO is because Floyd was stripped of it due to non-payment. But he still held and defended the others (until he eventually announced full retirement and rendered them - including The Ring - vacant).

There has not been a fight between 1 and 2 or 1 and 3 since Manny lost to Floyd. That's why. The reason it's confusing is that Floyd was still a belt holder after he "said" he was done (the first time, immediately after beating Berto).

That's why I'm telling people the 2012 changes were long since undone.

I dont care..All I am pointing out is that you were wrong about Manny having the Ring title..that is it

[Larry the boss]

Do you understand WHY 147 Ring didn't go to Manny (despite being lineal)?

It's because there was an expectation of a rematch of Floyd/Manny (Floyd had not officially "retired" at any point yet before Berto). Then this:



Floyd was still recognized (there's that word again) as Ring champion when Manny fought Bradley the third time, but lineal passed to Manny as he was #1 and Bradley #2. That's fine - but that's when there IS a champion in place.

After Floyd retired, Manny loses to Horn, lineal goes vacant, Ring never goes to him because Floyd 'officially' retired (as in, stopped paying sanctioning fees) after Pac/Bradley 3. The only reason that fight was for WBO is because Floyd was stripped of it due to non-payment. But he still held and defended the others (until he eventually announced full retirement and rendered them - including The Ring - vacant).

There has not been a fight between 1 and 2 or 1 and 3 since Manny lost to Floyd. That's why. The reason it's confusing is that Floyd was still a belt holder after he "said" he was done (the first time, immediately after beating Berto).

That's why I'm telling people the 2012 changes were long since undone.

wtf kinda foolishness did you just post??? you said Manny beat Bradley for lineage but lost it because Floyd retired??? wow, just wow..that is not how it works at all....Manny retired after Bradley and that is why TBRB stripped him of the lineage..Floyd had nothing to do with that lineage period..come on man

[Larry the boss]

According to TBRB Crawford should really be lineal champ

[MDPopescu]

Manny was never lineal...

The argument is that Manny never had the Ring belt at 147 and he didnt..that is all I am saying..he never was ring champ at 147..

... well... yes, sure.......................

[Larry the boss]

... well... yes, sure.......................

Thread was about Ring lineage.....I know TBRB had him lineal but going by that then Crawford should be lineal champ

[techliam]

The problem is, you and everyone else is ignoring the important word in what I'm saying.

RECOGNIZED.

As far as The Ring, I literally linked and quoted to where they are okay with 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3.

You're going off of old information (FANDOM.com) that was true in 2012 - BEFORE Manny fought Floyd.

I linked directly to Ring's website with the current information, which makes zero reference to any level other than 1, 2, and 3.

1 vs 2 will NOT happen before 1 vs 3 in this case.

That means, if Spence and Manny tangle, The Ring will be up.

If one wins, that person will be RECOGNIZED as lineal champion.

That's the way it's always been. You're not "crowned" lineal in any match. You're RECOGNIZED as lineal by winning The Ring title.

Think about it. If what you're saying is true, Jeff Horn is a one-time lineal champion because he beat the lineal champion (when Manny beat Bradley) when he was #5 ranked.

Which we know to be false, thus what you're saying cannot be true!

It's almost like people forgot that Danny Garcia became lineal at 140 by beating Amir Khan who had The Ring title.

Honestly most of this post is nonsense

You said it yourself. (Vacant) lineal is always 1 vs 2. This is 1 vs 3, so how is it lineal? Recognise by who, you and the RING? Doesn’t make it lineal, sorry

Garcia became lineal after beating Matthysse, not Khan

In your world, Callum Smith is the lineal champion at 168. Who recognises that?

There’s little convincing you of reality though.. you’re one of those who will keep adjusting something to try make it fit, even though that something is wrong in the first place

[techliam]

The argument is that Manny never had the Ring belt at 147 and he didnt..that is all I am saying..he never was ring champ at 147..

Yes but the last lineal champion at 147 was Manny in 2016, not Floyd

[Combat Talk Radio]

You said it yourself. (Vacant) lineal is always 1 vs 2. This is 1 vs 3, so how is it lineal? Recognise by who, you and the RING? Doesn’t make it lineal, sorry

You can ignore The Ring all you care to (because that's what you're essentially saying). That's fine. JUST SAY THAT. "I (techliam) don't recognize what The Ring recognizes" and leave it at that.

Doesn't change the fact that widely - outside of your bubble - the media and everyone else will recognize the winner of Spence/Pacquiao as the lineal welterweight champion after 4-5 years of it not being a thing.

And should Errol Spence take that win, he will be THE GUY as RECOGNIZED by everyone else besides you, Crawford and BoMac.

Should Manny Pacquiao win, he will likely retire immediately after and vacate it again, so it won't matter.